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Without making any moral judgments here, the guy has a valid point in that it's important to make a distinction between cheating in a relationship and sexual ha

Without making any moral judgments here, the guy has a valid point in that it's important to make a distinction between cheating in a relationship and sexual harassment. The former is a non-illegal, personal matter, and the latter is a criminal matter. I think most people probably aren't interested in making this distinction and would prefer to indiscriminately shun either kind of person, but this the importance of this lies in the #MeToo thing becoming a witchhunt. Sexual harassment/assault/rape is different that many other crimes in that mere accusations, convictions be damned, can completely ruin an otherwise innocent person's life. I could definitely imagine the #MeToo tag being used to shame someone, because it has reached witchhunt proportions. See the recent claims about H.W. Bush. I claim to know nothing about what actually happened between this guy and these women, and all of the armchair judges here that are jumping to conclusions ought to realize that they, too, know nothing.

TarpitCarnivore 9y ago
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- Invictus0 9y ago
  I don't know how you conclude from my comment, maybe you should reread it. I don't believe in social justice adjudicated by uninformed internet commenters, and caution against jumping to conclusions when you don't really know the facts. You're only reinforcing my point that sexual misconduct allegations are especially damaging, by misrepresenting my words and automatically assigning Scoble a guilty verdict.
  - TarpitCarnivore 9y ago
    Replied to the wrong comment, sorry
DanBC 9y ago
Lots of sexual harassment is not criminal. (It's still, obviously, no acceptable).
- sadlkfieiujjd 9y ago
  My problem now, what makes me irate, is that the #metoo tag embodies this idea that, because so many women have been silent victims of harassment and assault, that any claim to harassment or assault somehow must be trustworthy because it is being openly stated. I was listening to a program on NPR the other day, and the guest was somehow bemoaning the fact that when individuals make claims of being victimized, they are met with a reserved skepticism rather than accepting support. What was totally missing from this discussion--what the host failed to challenge on--was that what this guest was proposing in fact was abandoning an innocent until proven guilty assumption in favor of a guilty until proven innocent assumption, which is dangerous and immoral. It is appropriate to be skeptical, because such a claim is very serious and potentially damaging. And such claims should be held up to rigorous scrutiny. I say this not without empathy for victims, being a victim of sexual assault myself, but as someone who has also seen how vicious and destructive these witchhunts can be. I have a colleague who was wrongly accused of sexual assault (I know because I was essentially there and saw what actually transpired), and I've seen how completely destructive it can be personally and career-wise. I also have been accused, through not-so-veiled insinuations (of course, not being explicit allowed her to sidestep any challenges, because there's nothing to actually challenge), of harassment by a vindictive ex who was jealous of my new relationship, and have seen what happens when colleagues, who you thought were friends, blindly accept these sorts of claims without looking into both sides of the story. It's horrifying to watch this happen, and to me only undermines real victims by casting a shadow of doubt over their claims from others. My experience is that this issue is far darker than anyone wants to acknowledge, and as much as there is problems with sexual assault, there are also problems with vindictive slander capitalizing on people's prejudices, to avoid personal responsibility. The horrific stories of Harvey Weinstein have turned into a witch-hunt against men that is equally horrifying en masse.
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asdfasdfasd333 9y ago
this.
jordanlev 9y ago
> it's important to make a distinction between cheating in a relationship and sexual harassment I know nothing other than what I've read online, but it seems that his accusers are not complaining about him cheating, but rather that he sexually harassed them: https://medium.com/@quinnnorton/robert-scoble-and-me-9b14ee92fffb https://medium.com/@quinnnorton/robert-scoble-and-me-9b14ee9... Specifically: > And then, without any more warning, Scoble was on me. I felt one hand on my breast and his arm reaching around and grabbing my butt. Scoble is considerably bigger than I am, and I realized quickly I wasn’t going to be able to push him away. I am not saying I know who is or isn't telling the truth, but this definitely isn't just about someone conflating cheating with sexual harrassment.

TarpitCarnivore 9y ago

edit: replied to wrong comment

Invictus0 9y ago
I don't know how you conclude from my comment, maybe you should reread it. I don't believe in social justice adjudicated by uninformed internet commenters, and caution against jumping to conclusions when you don't really know the facts. You're only reinforcing my point that sexual misconduct allegations are especially damaging, by misrepresenting my words and automatically assigning Scoble a guilty verdict.
- TarpitCarnivore 9y ago
  Replied to the wrong comment, sorry

DanBC 9y ago

Lots of sexual harassment is not criminal. (It's still, obviously, no acceptable).

sadlkfieiujjd 9y ago
My problem now, what makes me irate, is that the #metoo tag embodies this idea that, because so many women have been silent victims of harassment and assault, that any claim to harassment or assault somehow must be trustworthy because it is being openly stated. I was listening to a program on NPR the other day, and the guest was somehow bemoaning the fact that when individuals make claims of being victimized, they are met with a reserved skepticism rather than accepting support. What was totally missing from this discussion--what the host failed to challenge on--was that what this guest was proposing in fact was abandoning an innocent until proven guilty assumption in favor of a guilty until proven innocent assumption, which is dangerous and immoral. It is appropriate to be skeptical, because such a claim is very serious and potentially damaging. And such claims should be held up to rigorous scrutiny. I say this not without empathy for victims, being a victim of sexual assault myself, but as someone who has also seen how vicious and destructive these witchhunts can be. I have a colleague who was wrongly accused of sexual assault (I know because I was essentially there and saw what actually transpired), and I've seen how completely destructive it can be personally and career-wise. I also have been accused, through not-so-veiled insinuations (of course, not being explicit allowed her to sidestep any challenges, because there's nothing to actually challenge), of harassment by a vindictive ex who was jealous of my new relationship, and have seen what happens when colleagues, who you thought were friends, blindly accept these sorts of claims without looking into both sides of the story. It's horrifying to watch this happen, and to me only undermines real victims by casting a shadow of doubt over their claims from others. My experience is that this issue is far darker than anyone wants to acknowledge, and as much as there is problems with sexual assault, there are also problems with vindictive slander capitalizing on people's prejudices, to avoid personal responsibility. The horrific stories of Harvey Weinstein have turned into a witch-hunt against men that is equally horrifying en masse.
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asdfasdfasd333 9y ago

this.

jordanlev 9y ago

> it's important to make a distinction between cheating in a relationship and sexual harassment I know nothing other than what I've read online, but it seems that his accusers are not complaining about him cheating, but rather that he sexually harassed them: https://medium.com/@quinnnorton/robert-scoble-and-me-9b14ee92fffb https://medium.com/@quinnnorton/robert-scoble-and-me-9b14ee9... Specifically: > And then, without any more warning, Scoble was on me. I felt one hand on my breast and his arm reaching around and grabbing my butt. Scoble is considerably bigger than I am, and I realized quickly I wasn’t going to be able to push him away. I am not saying I know who is or isn't telling the truth, but this definitely isn't just about someone conflating cheating with sexual harrassment.