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> 1,200 of 33,000 employees amounts to 3.6% of the work force. This level of action, 1 in 25 employees, gives managers an opportunity to release employees that
by eighthnate 9y ago
> 1,200 of 33,000 employees amounts to 3.6% of the work force. This level of action, 1 in 25 employees, gives managers an opportunity to release employees that looked good in the interview but did not meet expectations.
That level of "firing" is rather suspect for an "new" company that is supposed to be growing.
> But any company needs to address the inevitable hiring mistakes and I don't see evidence that Tesla is doing any more than that.
If you are making that level of mistake where you have to conduct mass layoffs, then it doesn't bode well for tesla.
- jdavis703 9y agoIt's so easy to hire bad apples. I've been through three rounds of layoffs at two separate companies: each time most of the people who were let go were poor performers, they either were bad salespeople or bad coders. The other ones were just lazy, working only 9-5, and taking frequent time off for silly reasons like "my rabbit is sick." As long as you're cutting less than 10% of staff you're cutting fat, not muscle (though you might hit a small amount of muscle by accident).
- Posibyte 9y ago> The other ones were just lazy, working only 9-5 I completely understand the latter issue about taking off randomly for wild reasons, but why is working agreed-upon hours a bad thing?
- StudentStuff 9y agoBecause the code-slaves should work harder and give at least 80hrs a week! No, but seriously, if a job is asking more than 9 to 5, they're asking you to put out sub-standard work while stealing your time needlessly. So many people here forget 12 hours pay for an 8 hour day was a rallying cry for organized labor at one point, and that all these terrible labor practices that seem common at smaller tech firms (and Tesla) are very bad and create bugs, sickly workers and hurt everyone involved. Not that management is smart enough to realize that!
- jdavis703 9y agoIf you're an exempt employee (you're exempt if you're not an hourly employee or making over ~$23,000 USD in the USA), means that you're not qualified for overtime. When other team members are putting in over time, but a few people aren't they're effectively freeloading on the people putting in more effort.
- robbies 9y agoIf there's more work to do than what the current employee set can do in 40 hrs/wk, then the team didn't hire enough employees. I realize that rare is the team that is fully staffed, but the employee shouldn't be obliged to make up the delta because management didn't hire appropriately.
- lawnchair_larry 9y agoNo, and that is a hilarious assertion. You are the fool for setting a precedent of free labor in that case. Most figure this out pretty quickly.
- jdavis703 9y agoWhen did ad-hominem attacks become accepted on Hacker News? I might look back a decade from now and realize that all those 12 to 14-hour days were wasted time that I could've been using to live "the good life," but I'm not sure that makes me, or anyone else who puts in long hours for a sustained period of time, a fool.
- lawnchair_larry 9y agoI hope for your sake that it does not take a decade :) It's foolish, I don't know what to tell you. I don't consider that an ad hominem attack. Certainly not more of one than you calling people who put in standard work hours "freeloaders".
- chrisbennet 9y agoSo , the company tries to extract free labor but the person who doesn’t let them get away with it is the person you blame???