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The intentions of “nerds” are entirely irrelevant if the outcome is widespread economic tenuousness. Sweeping aside history because you’re arriving at the same

The intentions of “nerds” are entirely irrelevant if the outcome is widespread economic tenuousness. Sweeping aside history because you’re arriving at the same kind of poverty by novel means is quite the hand wave. No one disagrees that how we address these problems is going to be different from times past, but to pretend that things like class relations are ahistorical defies any notion of reasoned consideration. And especially in an age of such extreme income inequality that the greatest predictor of one’s future wealth is that of their parents.

dmix 9y ago
> The intentions of “nerds” are entirely irrelevant if the outcome is widespread economic tenuousness. Not if we're talking about history and that's very much the history being written in popular culture. You specifically said that it's not a "natural evolution" because a similar thing happened in the past during the gilded age. And instead it's some sort of regression back to that? My entire comment counters that sentiment. The context and motivations are very different this time around, even if some (keyword is some) of the outcomes are similar. And when context and motivation are different then the effective solutions are going to also be very different. > but to pretend that things like class relations are ahistorical The typical academic writing where "class relations" are the central worldview tends to push more and more economic control to centralization and socialist ideology. If I missed an evolution in the solutions offered there (ie, deprioritizing property and tort law in favour of more unions, centralization, agency oversight, laws that only apply to full-time employee, etc), then I'll happily admit I'm wrong to dismiss it as more of the same... So either you want to cripple the modern industrial evolution, ala Uber in London, to go back to the previous model or your think those same systems will somehow work in the new era. All I'm saying is the previous generations solutions are a poor fix for this problem. And buying into 'working class vs everyone else' worldview and the socialist breadbasket that comes with that, rather than strengthening the individual's ability to not be exploited within the context of a decentralized capitalist system through stronger courts protecting contractors and modernized government services, is a misguided and nostalgic proposition.

dmix 9y ago

> The intentions of “nerds” are entirely irrelevant if the outcome is widespread economic tenuousness. Not if we're talking about history and that's very much the history being written in popular culture. You specifically said that it's not a "natural evolution" because a similar thing happened in the past during the gilded age. And instead it's some sort of regression back to that? My entire comment counters that sentiment. The context and motivations are very different this time around, even if some (keyword is some) of the outcomes are similar. And when context and motivation are different then the effective solutions are going to also be very different. > but to pretend that things like class relations are ahistorical The typical academic writing where "class relations" are the central worldview tends to push more and more economic control to centralization and socialist ideology. If I missed an evolution in the solutions offered there (ie, deprioritizing property and tort law in favour of more unions, centralization, agency oversight, laws that only apply to full-time employee, etc), then I'll happily admit I'm wrong to dismiss it as more of the same... So either you want to cripple the modern industrial evolution, ala Uber in London, to go back to the previous model or your think those same systems will somehow work in the new era. All I'm saying is the previous generations solutions are a poor fix for this problem. And buying into 'working class vs everyone else' worldview and the socialist breadbasket that comes with that, rather than strengthening the individual's ability to not be exploited within the context of a decentralized capitalist system through stronger courts protecting contractors and modernized government services, is a misguided and nostalgic proposition.