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None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. This i
by Mz 9y ago
None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power.
This is not true and it does not look good for him to say it:
The legal and social understanding of sexual harassment, however, varies by culture.
In the context of US employment, the harasser can be the victim's supervisor, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or someone who is not an employee of the employer, such as a client or customer, and harassers or victims can be of any gender.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment
But, I do generally agree that two wrongs don't make a right. I am pretty appalled to hear that he had an online text-based affair with a woman who outed him to his wife for apparently vindictive reasons.
I don't know how we move this discussion forward into constructive territory. I see this at least partly through the lens of massive social changes disrupting the rules and neither side having a good play book. I challenge commenters here to find something constructive to say and avoid just wallowing in the mud here.
- dsp1234 9y agoIt's incredibly difficult to talk about this specific post in a constructive way without wallowing in the mud. The content makes child-like arguments[0] and contradictory statements[1] to the point where it feels like an unstable foundation to have a conversation. It's like trying to have a debate where neither side agrees with the foundational logic of the other sides arguments. [0] - "None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power" [1] - "Perhaps because they felt peer pressure to join the #MeToo bandwagon, perhaps because they felt slighted for other reasons. I won’t speculate on their motives."
- Mz 9y agoTrue. That's why I issued a challenge. I realize it is a difficult thing I am asking of people.
- TarpitCarnivore 9y ago> I am pretty appalled to hear that he had an online text-based affair with a woman who outed him to his wife for apparently vindictive reasons. So because of a relationship it absolves him of all his accusations? Should we just throw out the multiple stories accusing him of this just because of said relationship? Guy straight up gaslighted these women so excuse me if I have zero sympathy for him.
- QAPereo 9y agoI am sorry that so many women feel wronged by me... This whole thing opens with the classic of all scumbag apologies, “I’m sorry for how you feel.” I’m not sure that this is much of a jumping off point for good discussion, as much as it is just another one biting the dust in the messiest way possible. Where does a constructive conversation begin here? With someone covering their ass in a blog post against their lawyers advice? With a bunch of people on HN opining about something that has been an open fact of life for many people, especially women, for longer than any of us of been alive? The solutions aren’t that difficult, they just take time and consistent desire and willingness by legislature and business leaders to follow through. So far that desire has been largely absent, and with recent revelations it’s not hard to see why.
- Mz 9y agoThe solutions aren’t that difficult, they just take time and consistent desire and willingness by legislature and business leaders to follow through. So far that desire has been largely absent, and with recent revelations it’s not hard to see why. So, enlighten me: Point me to a list of not difficult solutions with proven track records of success, if only we get off our lazy butts and bother to do them.
- QAPereo 9y agoActually vote, as a group, in your own best self interest... not for people like Trump. Hold representatives to account, and put money and votes where the mouths are.
- Mz 9y agoThat doesn't really answer the question. I am interested in seeing a list of policies and practices that actually work to do the following: 1) Include women equally in the work force. 2) Protect all parties from both sexual impropriety and scandal without simply presuming women are victims, men are predators. I am not aware of well developed policies for preventing such dramas. And I have read quite a lot on human sexuality, sex abuse, rape and illicit affairs. As much as possible, I sought out reliable sources that involved serious studies. Telling me to vote (but not for Trump) is utterly unrelated to my question.