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Stand-alone ScreenHero sharing is smooth as butter -- truly amazing. Controlling a remote computer feels local. Right now I'm using the slack-integrated "Scree

Stand-alone ScreenHero sharing is smooth as butter -- truly amazing. Controlling a remote computer feels local. Right now I'm using the slack-integrated "ScreenHero", and it's really laggy. This is super disappointing, and painful to use. It's actually making the mouse pointer of the person sharing lag for them. Slack: please keep the stand-alone ScreenHero until you make the integrated one have the same performance.

philwelch 9y ago
> Slack: please keep the stand-alone ScreenHero until you make the integrated one have the same performance. Given the shitty performance of the Slack desktop client (which basically only does IRC with gifs and emoji), I'm not too confident in their ability to improve the performance of, well, anything.
- mk89 9y ago
  1gb of ram for an IRC client.... I don't know... :|
  - zymhan 9y ago
    That's what happens when you bundle an entire web browser
    - StudentStuff 9y ago
      Someone has to eat all your ram and wreck battery life tho!
  - amedvednikov 9y ago
    Try out eul: https://eul.im https://eul.im It's a native desktop client for Slack, Skype, Slack, Facebook, etc. It's only 4 MB, it has minimal CPU usage, and it can handle hundreds of thousands of messages without lag.
    - timdorr 9y ago
      Probably should disclose that you make it: https://github.com/eul-im https://github.com/eul-im Also, given that it's not open source, I can't trust it with my private Slack teams. I would seriously consider making the source open. You can still charge for it (and I'd love to pay for it!), but I need assurance that it's not doing anything untoward. Perhaps a Patreon level that includes source code access?
      - tomsmeding 9y ago
        Having the source but not building it yourself doesn't rule out that the compiled app actually has different source than the code you got. So having the source but having it rely on some complex or irreproducible build system is not enough for open source here.
    - michaelmrose 9y ago
      Why does it need to "download embedded browser" as part of setup?
    - michaelmrose 9y ago
      Its disingenuous to claim its 4MB when the first thing it does when you run it is download 500MB of data in order to function.
      - amedvednikov 9y ago
        It needs a browser (~50 MB, not 500) to do authentication once, then it works without it. I'm not happy about it, but there's no other way. It's still a native app, you don't have to always have a web browser running any more.
        michaelmrose 9y ago
        It downloaded 500MB here.
        geezerjay 9y ago
  - eltoozero 9y ago
    Except they actually have IRC and XMPP gateways available if you're RAM constrained or are a console cowboy type.[0] [0]: https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201727913-Connect-to-Slack-over-IRC-and-XMPP https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201727913-Connect-t...
    - paulryanrogers 9y ago
      Having used the XMPP gateway I wouldn't call it a viable alternative
    - philwelch 9y ago
      Why not use run an open-source IRC server then?
      - pentae 9y ago
        How would you use a poo emoji then?
        rjl 9y ago
        Most IRC clients support UTF-8.
dustingetz 9y ago
I tried so hard to make screenhero work for me in 2015. It's smooth when it works, which is sometimes and for an hour at a time. Basic things like keypress replication were so buggy that I consider them unfinished - keyboard events would just be dropped on the wire and be careful not to type too fast or yur cde wll ome out ike thi! I'm sure it's all fixed now as the Slack experience itself is robust.
artursapek 9y ago
Screenhero.com says: > If you currently use Screenhero, you’ll need to migrate your team to Slack before December 1st, 2017. At that point, the stand-alone Screenhero app will no longer work — but you can enjoy the same features in Slack. Sounds like they already have their plans set in stone.
- davideous 9y ago
  If anyone from Slack is reading, I'm respectfully asking that they change the sunset date or invest the engineering effort to fix the performance regression before the sunset date. Perhaps management didn't know how much of a downgrade this was.
ballenf 9y ago
Late last year and early this year we used Screenhero daily. It was free, so I didn't expect too much, but my team had various connection issues daily on various OSs and locations. I stopped using it despite it being smooth as butter when it worked (which was 80%+ of the time). Hopefully Slack's acquisition helps/helped them with those apparent scaling issues.
Osiris 9y ago
Why has "smooth as butter" become such an overly used phrase in the tech world? Listening to the last Apple product release I must have heard the word butter a few dozen times. I don't know about anyone else but this phrase is really starting to annoy me. It's overly used, and the word "butter" in my mind is closer to "greasy", like "don't touch it with your finger because it'll get slimy and you'll have to wash your hands". Can't you just say "smooth" or "without any perceptible lag"? EDIT: Seriously, this doesn't bug anyone else?
- rthille 9y ago
  "smooth as a Quantum stabilized atom mirror" just doesn't have the same ring to it...
- talyian 9y ago
  If it makes you feel any better, silk is still the preferred standard for smoothness, and even baby bottoms are slightly more smooth than butter: https://trends.google.la/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=smooth%20as%20butter,smooth%20as%20silk https://trends.google.la/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=s... https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=smooth+as+butter%2Csmooth+as+a+baby%2C+smooth+as+silk&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1990&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Csmooth%20as%20butter%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bsmooth%20as%20butter%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BSmooth%20as%20butter%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Csmooth%20as%20a%20baby%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bsmooth%20as%20a%20baby%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BSmooth%20as%20a%20baby%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Csmooth%20as%20silk%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bsmooth%20as%20silk%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BSmooth%20as%20silk%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BSmooth%20as%20Silk%3B%2Cc0 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=smooth+as+butt...
- artursapek 9y ago
  butter is known to generally render at >=60fps
- hbosch 9y ago
  "Smooth as butter", "smoother than butter", "butter smooth", et al is a common western phrase. It's as old or older than the King James Bible itself (Psalms 55:21 if you're curious). It's a quintessential English idiom.

philwelch 9y ago

> Slack: please keep the stand-alone ScreenHero until you make the integrated one have the same performance. Given the shitty performance of the Slack desktop client (which basically only does IRC with gifs and emoji), I'm not too confident in their ability to improve the performance of, well, anything.

mk89 9y ago
1gb of ram for an IRC client.... I don't know... :|
- zymhan 9y ago
  That's what happens when you bundle an entire web browser
  - StudentStuff 9y ago
    Someone has to eat all your ram and wreck battery life tho!
- amedvednikov 9y ago
  Try out eul: https://eul.im https://eul.im It's a native desktop client for Slack, Skype, Slack, Facebook, etc. It's only 4 MB, it has minimal CPU usage, and it can handle hundreds of thousands of messages without lag.
  - timdorr 9y ago
    Probably should disclose that you make it: https://github.com/eul-im https://github.com/eul-im Also, given that it's not open source, I can't trust it with my private Slack teams. I would seriously consider making the source open. You can still charge for it (and I'd love to pay for it!), but I need assurance that it's not doing anything untoward. Perhaps a Patreon level that includes source code access?
    - tomsmeding 9y ago
      Having the source but not building it yourself doesn't rule out that the compiled app actually has different source than the code you got. So having the source but having it rely on some complex or irreproducible build system is not enough for open source here.
  - michaelmrose 9y ago
    Why does it need to "download embedded browser" as part of setup?
  - michaelmrose 9y ago
    Its disingenuous to claim its 4MB when the first thing it does when you run it is download 500MB of data in order to function.
    - amedvednikov 9y ago
      It needs a browser (~50 MB, not 500) to do authentication once, then it works without it. I'm not happy about it, but there's no other way. It's still a native app, you don't have to always have a web browser running any more.
      - michaelmrose 9y ago
        It downloaded 500MB here.
      - geezerjay 9y ago
- eltoozero 9y ago
  Except they actually have IRC and XMPP gateways available if you're RAM constrained or are a console cowboy type.[0] [0]: https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201727913-Connect-to-Slack-over-IRC-and-XMPP https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201727913-Connect-t...
  - paulryanrogers 9y ago
    Having used the XMPP gateway I wouldn't call it a viable alternative
  - philwelch 9y ago
    Why not use run an open-source IRC server then?
    - pentae 9y ago
      How would you use a poo emoji then?
      - rjl 9y ago
        Most IRC clients support UTF-8.

dustingetz 9y ago

I tried so hard to make screenhero work for me in 2015. It's smooth when it works, which is sometimes and for an hour at a time. Basic things like keypress replication were so buggy that I consider them unfinished - keyboard events would just be dropped on the wire and be careful not to type too fast or yur cde wll ome out ike thi! I'm sure it's all fixed now as the Slack experience itself is robust.

artursapek 9y ago

Screenhero.com says: > If you currently use Screenhero, you’ll need to migrate your team to Slack before December 1st, 2017. At that point, the stand-alone Screenhero app will no longer work — but you can enjoy the same features in Slack. Sounds like they already have their plans set in stone.

davideous 9y ago
If anyone from Slack is reading, I'm respectfully asking that they change the sunset date or invest the engineering effort to fix the performance regression before the sunset date. Perhaps management didn't know how much of a downgrade this was.

ballenf 9y ago

Late last year and early this year we used Screenhero daily. It was free, so I didn't expect too much, but my team had various connection issues daily on various OSs and locations. I stopped using it despite it being smooth as butter when it worked (which was 80%+ of the time). Hopefully Slack's acquisition helps/helped them with those apparent scaling issues.

Osiris 9y ago

Why has "smooth as butter" become such an overly used phrase in the tech world? Listening to the last Apple product release I must have heard the word butter a few dozen times. I don't know about anyone else but this phrase is really starting to annoy me. It's overly used, and the word "butter" in my mind is closer to "greasy", like "don't touch it with your finger because it'll get slimy and you'll have to wash your hands". Can't you just say "smooth" or "without any perceptible lag"? EDIT: Seriously, this doesn't bug anyone else?

rthille 9y ago
"smooth as a Quantum stabilized atom mirror" just doesn't have the same ring to it...
talyian 9y ago
If it makes you feel any better, silk is still the preferred standard for smoothness, and even baby bottoms are slightly more smooth than butter: https://trends.google.la/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=smooth%20as%20butter,smooth%20as%20silk https://trends.google.la/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=s... https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=smooth+as+butter%2Csmooth+as+a+baby%2C+smooth+as+silk&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1990&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Csmooth%20as%20butter%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bsmooth%20as%20butter%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BSmooth%20as%20butter%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Csmooth%20as%20a%20baby%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bsmooth%20as%20a%20baby%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BSmooth%20as%20a%20baby%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Csmooth%20as%20silk%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bsmooth%20as%20silk%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BSmooth%20as%20silk%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BSmooth%20as%20Silk%3B%2Cc0 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=smooth+as+butt...
artursapek 9y ago
butter is known to generally render at >=60fps
hbosch 9y ago
"Smooth as butter", "smoother than butter", "butter smooth", et al is a common western phrase. It's as old or older than the King James Bible itself (Psalms 55:21 if you're curious). It's a quintessential English idiom.