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I’ve seen no evidence that they have actively courted that niche, though. As far as I can see, they’ve had a policy of benign neglect - which is far from the sa

I’ve seen no evidence that they have actively courted that niche, though. As far as I can see, they’ve had a policy of benign neglect - which is far from the same thing.

falcolas 9y ago
If you make the charitable assumption that the letter's writers are not lying, this relationship is clearly spelled out at the top of the second paragraph: > Over the last couple years we have been courted by you, worked closely with you on promotion, creation, and even website features, and have been assured by you that Patreon was a home for all types of creators – including those that make adult content.
- arkades 9y ago
  Without accusing anyone of lying at all, the letter writer goes out of their way to make it seem like the LGBT community, adult content community, and porn community are the same thing, and they’re representing all 3. I don’t know which of these Patreon has courted, though, or how much. To quote, “However, there has always been an issue with your stance on “porn” versus “adult content.” This stance has never been clear and is reminiscent of the phrase “I know it when I see it”, most infamously used in 1964 by Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart to describe his threshold test for obscenity. This is an outdated, legally unclear, and importantly, extremely problematic view of adult media.” So, to Patreon, this doesn’t seem to be a distinction without a difference. I happen to agree: an artistic nude is adult content, but isn’t the same adult content as a blowjob video. Even if no one is lying, I have no trouble reading that letter as “you courted and reassured us (LGBT, adult content), and now you’re abandoning us (pornographers)”. Which doesn’t require deceit - I’m sure there’s overlap and gray areas. But it doesn’t require Patreon to be playing dirty either.

I’ve seen no evidence that they have actively courted that niche, though. As far as I can see, they’ve had a policy of benign neglect - which is far from the same thing.

falcolas 9y ago

If you make the charitable assumption that the letter's writers are not lying, this relationship is clearly spelled out at the top of the second paragraph: > Over the last couple years we have been courted by you, worked closely with you on promotion, creation, and even website features, and have been assured by you that Patreon was a home for all types of creators – including those that make adult content.

arkades 9y ago
Without accusing anyone of lying at all, the letter writer goes out of their way to make it seem like the LGBT community, adult content community, and porn community are the same thing, and they’re representing all 3. I don’t know which of these Patreon has courted, though, or how much. To quote, “However, there has always been an issue with your stance on “porn” versus “adult content.” This stance has never been clear and is reminiscent of the phrase “I know it when I see it”, most infamously used in 1964 by Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart to describe his threshold test for obscenity. This is an outdated, legally unclear, and importantly, extremely problematic view of adult media.” So, to Patreon, this doesn’t seem to be a distinction without a difference. I happen to agree: an artistic nude is adult content, but isn’t the same adult content as a blowjob video. Even if no one is lying, I have no trouble reading that letter as “you courted and reassured us (LGBT, adult content), and now you’re abandoning us (pornographers)”. Which doesn’t require deceit - I’m sure there’s overlap and gray areas. But it doesn’t require Patreon to be playing dirty either.