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>The courier then gets a prompt on their app, swipes the screen, and voilà, your door unlocks. They drop off the package, relock the door with another swipe, an

>The courier then gets a prompt on their app, swipes the screen, and voilà, your door unlocks. They drop off the package, relock the door with another swipe, and are on their way. Yah, except when they forget to re-lock your door. No thanks. If anything the door should auto-lock after the door is initially opened, but I still would not allow a delivery person access to my home. I'm sure most delivery persons are fine but I have not heard good things about the "courier services" Amazon has been using lately.

craftyguy 9y ago
> If anything the door should auto-lock after the door is initially opened No. If anything, people will hopefully realize this is probably the worst possible idea for privacy and security they could possibly do in their homes and tell amazon to piss off.
- 24gttghh 9y ago
  I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with me, but I agree that this is a terrible idea from amazon.
  - craftyguy 9y ago
    I was disagreeing with your one comment that implied this would be OK if they auto-relocked, by arguing that none of this is OK at all. I generally agreed with the rest of your comment though
    - 24gttghh 9y ago
      The fact they don't even auto-lock is just one of many things wrong with this idea; is what I was trying to say I suppose :)
dkrich 9y ago
Agreed. They have no quality control over their own deliveries. I live in a multi-tenant building and in my experience Amazon deliveries are hilariously unreliable. They have a hard time gaining access to my building and usually just leave packages outside where they are very often stolen. The only way deliveries will work for Amazon without the use of drones is if they open up the delivery service like AWS so that other businesses can use it. The reason I believe that is that deliveries need to be reliable. In order for them to be reliable you need to have regular drivers, ie, full-time employees who drive the same routes everyday. But Amazon doesn't deliver nearly enough packages for that line of business to make any sense whatsoever, so the solution would be to let others ship via Amazon deliveries at a lower cost and faster rate than UPS, FedEx, or USPS and perhaps subsidize the losses from other lines of business or raise the price of Prime to offset it. Ultimately, Amazon is trying to compete with USPS in this space, not FedEx or UPS who want no part of last-mile deliveries.
0xfeba 9y ago
If it's like other "smart" locks, it lets you know its state and can be locked remotely.
admg 9y ago
I have my amazon safe space set to my greenhouse, imagine my surprise when I found their delivery person had put my item in my green bin instead. Not a chance would let them have access to my locks to my house.
- tome 9y ago
  I once had an Amazon courier deliver to my bin! I don't think I set any safe space. I was expecting a redelivery. I only found the item by coincidence. I could easily have let it be collected and taken to the dump!
Bedon292 9y ago
I am sure there is an auto lock logic in there. Like the driver cannot open the next lock if the last one is still open. Or like my lock automatically locks after 30 seconds no matter what. So even if they forget it will be fine.
- 24gttghh 9y ago
  That's an optimistic assumption :)
bduerst 9y ago
Considering that the delivery codes to our apartment building were used to gain access and steal stuff, I'm less than inclined to create something like this for my home. It only seems to be solving the problem of people stealing packages left outside, which I would rather just get re-shipped rather than have to deal with things stolen in my home.

craftyguy 9y ago

> If anything the door should auto-lock after the door is initially opened No. If anything, people will hopefully realize this is probably the worst possible idea for privacy and security they could possibly do in their homes and tell amazon to piss off.

24gttghh 9y ago
I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with me, but I agree that this is a terrible idea from amazon.
- craftyguy 9y ago
  I was disagreeing with your one comment that implied this would be OK if they auto-relocked, by arguing that none of this is OK at all. I generally agreed with the rest of your comment though
  - 24gttghh 9y ago
    The fact they don't even auto-lock is just one of many things wrong with this idea; is what I was trying to say I suppose :)

dkrich 9y ago

Agreed. They have no quality control over their own deliveries. I live in a multi-tenant building and in my experience Amazon deliveries are hilariously unreliable. They have a hard time gaining access to my building and usually just leave packages outside where they are very often stolen. The only way deliveries will work for Amazon without the use of drones is if they open up the delivery service like AWS so that other businesses can use it. The reason I believe that is that deliveries need to be reliable. In order for them to be reliable you need to have regular drivers, ie, full-time employees who drive the same routes everyday. But Amazon doesn't deliver nearly enough packages for that line of business to make any sense whatsoever, so the solution would be to let others ship via Amazon deliveries at a lower cost and faster rate than UPS, FedEx, or USPS and perhaps subsidize the losses from other lines of business or raise the price of Prime to offset it. Ultimately, Amazon is trying to compete with USPS in this space, not FedEx or UPS who want no part of last-mile deliveries.

0xfeba 9y ago

If it's like other "smart" locks, it lets you know its state and can be locked remotely.

admg 9y ago

I have my amazon safe space set to my greenhouse, imagine my surprise when I found their delivery person had put my item in my green bin instead. Not a chance would let them have access to my locks to my house.

tome 9y ago
I once had an Amazon courier deliver to my bin! I don't think I set any safe space. I was expecting a redelivery. I only found the item by coincidence. I could easily have let it be collected and taken to the dump!

Bedon292 9y ago

I am sure there is an auto lock logic in there. Like the driver cannot open the next lock if the last one is still open. Or like my lock automatically locks after 30 seconds no matter what. So even if they forget it will be fine.

24gttghh 9y ago
That's an optimistic assumption :)

bduerst 9y ago

Considering that the delivery codes to our apartment building were used to gain access and steal stuff, I'm less than inclined to create something like this for my home. It only seems to be solving the problem of people stealing packages left outside, which I would rather just get re-shipped rather than have to deal with things stolen in my home.