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You can’t exist as a business without patreon? Selling porn? Someone should inform ... the vast majority of porn businesses. The rest of them don’t use Patreon

You can’t exist as a business without patreon? Selling porn? Someone should inform ... the vast majority of porn businesses. The rest of them don’t use Patreon for payment processing.

kuschku 9y ago
Without payment processors. The argument was whether VISA, MasterCard, etc, which wield a massive influence, and have quite restrictive rules, are anticompetitive and monopolistic.
- arkades 9y ago
  Porn-specific payments processors include eMerchant Pay, SMA, Alternative Merchant Processing, EZ Payment Solutions, ccNetPay, and Creative Merchant Options. If you have a dozen processors to choose from, including a half dozen dedicated to your specific niche, you are not being boxed out by a monopoly. You’re, at that point, just claiming that you are owed a profitable business model. That is not a valid complaint.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    I’m not specifically talking about porn. I’m talking about the issue that major processors such as VISA and MasterCard hold too much power in general, and either should be broken up, or shouldn’t have the power to choose their customers. For example, a few years back a major German retailer sold cuban cigars — and MasterCard, VISA and PayPal closed their accounts over it. Luckily in Germany wire transfers, direct debit and Europay cards are common enough that they had an alternative, but it still became a major issue, and the Rossmann chain refused to do what the processors wanted, because they argued that these companies had no right to enforce US laws in Germany (and Rossmann prevailed, in the end PayPal and co had to allow Rossmann to sell such products via their payment systems).
lmm 9y ago
Small independent producers may not be able to operate without Patreon. I mean, the whole point of Patreon is that it enables a huge group of creators who otherwise couldn't exist as a business.

You can’t exist as a business without patreon? Selling porn? Someone should inform ... the vast majority of porn businesses. The rest of them don’t use Patreon for payment processing.

kuschku 9y ago

Without payment processors. The argument was whether VISA, MasterCard, etc, which wield a massive influence, and have quite restrictive rules, are anticompetitive and monopolistic.

arkades 9y ago
Porn-specific payments processors include eMerchant Pay, SMA, Alternative Merchant Processing, EZ Payment Solutions, ccNetPay, and Creative Merchant Options. If you have a dozen processors to choose from, including a half dozen dedicated to your specific niche, you are not being boxed out by a monopoly. You’re, at that point, just claiming that you are owed a profitable business model. That is not a valid complaint.
- kuschku 9y ago
  I’m not specifically talking about porn. I’m talking about the issue that major processors such as VISA and MasterCard hold too much power in general, and either should be broken up, or shouldn’t have the power to choose their customers. For example, a few years back a major German retailer sold cuban cigars — and MasterCard, VISA and PayPal closed their accounts over it. Luckily in Germany wire transfers, direct debit and Europay cards are common enough that they had an alternative, but it still became a major issue, and the Rossmann chain refused to do what the processors wanted, because they argued that these companies had no right to enforce US laws in Germany (and Rossmann prevailed, in the end PayPal and co had to allow Rossmann to sell such products via their payment systems).

lmm 9y ago

Small independent producers may not be able to operate without Patreon. I mean, the whole point of Patreon is that it enables a huge group of creators who otherwise couldn't exist as a business.