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Show HN: iOS music player, like a virtual record collection

52 points by deepdesai 9y ago

1 minute screencast: https://youtu.be/AmDL2QtkoJ4 https://youtu.be/AmDL2QtkoJ4 If you'd like play with it, please send a note with your name and email to betatesting@musicologyapp.com and I will send you an invite (via TestFlight). If you're the kind of person who listens to albums cover to cover, or would like to manually arrange your records instead of going through a boring alphabetized list, or are just really annoyed with the iOS Music app (like I am), you should check this out!

vortico 9y ago
I don't use iOS (just mpv on my laptop), but this is the sort of well-thought out design that modern software needs. A clear vision followed out through development into a product without sacrificing major features.
- deepdesai 9y ago
  Thank you, kind stranger on the internet! :) I actually only recently started learning how to code, this is my first project.
  - ballenf 9y ago
    I came here to say the same. I'd love to see Apple implement this style in more of their os and apps. I can only imagine how much better a calculator, for a start, you could make than Apple's! Seriously, nice work.
Confiks 9y ago
I'm completely ignorant about any iOS music player, having only every seriously used Android, but didn't the first iPhone have such a feature already? Such as showcased in the famous reveal video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN4U5FqrOdQ&t=1084 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN4U5FqrOdQ&t=1084 Did it get removed?
- dan1234 9y ago
  Cover Flow, as it was named, was removed during the great Skeuomorphic purge of 2013.
cr1895 9y ago
I like this! I'm not sure what's involved in your beta testing nor do I have any idea what TestFlight is, but I'd like to give it a try. My purchased music that's actually on my iPhone is somewhat limited (maybe a dozen albums) but I'm always using Spotify and increasingly Apple Music; maybe I'm not quite the user you're targeting at this point. But I'm very much someone who appreciates albums in whole form and care very much about seeing the artwork/info/etc well, as much as is possible in an app...my main jam is vinyl. edit: I'd potentially find this even more useful in iPad form, where I could pair it to my stereo and have nice, large graphics.
- deepdesai 9y ago
  Apple Music support is absolutely on the roadmap, and so is iPad support! If you haven't already, do send me an email. TestFlight is Apple's platform for doing beta testing, it's super straightforward.
  - techdragon 9y ago
    Glad you answered the this point, I'm pretty keen to try any alternative to the white + bold/slab San serif wasteland that is the Apple Music app. The moment they went from one touch on the home screen, to several taps into a sub menu in order to "love" a track i knew the UX team went off the rails. So I'm keen to try new apps that support Apple music, but the majority are just shovelware or borderline malware.
throwanem 9y ago
Not really something I see myself using, sad to say - I have way too much music to ever fit on my phone, which limits my options in practice to those with solid self-hosted streaming support. But I really like the style!
- deepdesai 9y ago
  Apple Music support is on the roadmap!
mcgarnagle 9y ago
I too am annoyed with the ios music app. And this is a beautiful app you have made here. However, for me I prefer practicality. I miss the days when the apple music app for ios would display everything in plain text, just like the old ipods. It made finding music faster, and gave me more retail space on my screen. I dread apps that don't give me this option, and force me to scroll through heavy animations of artwork to find my artist by name. I don't want to sort and find things by colors.
ansgri 9y ago
Maybe a wrong place to ask, but can somebody recommend an opposite of this? I don't care for album covers (at least while listening) and prefer alphabetized lists and a text-only playlist for a main view. With good queue management (like in old Winamp and iOS 10 Music; in 11 they screwed it up).
- tomovo 9y ago
  If you want to load and play your own MP3s you could try Tiny Player. App Store: http://itunes.apple.com/app/id1140849233 http://itunes.apple.com/app/id1140849233
  - ansgri 9y ago
    Thanks, this is somewhat orthogonal to purely UI concerns, but it's very useful to know it exists! BTW, is it really possible for third-party players to access music from Apple Music?
    - tomovo 9y ago
      It is since iOS 11.
- 4ad 9y ago
  I'm looking for same thing but for macOS. People usually recommend Vox, but Vox is absolutely awful. Tiny ass window, that always, ALWAYS, drags songs when I try to scroll.
  - nklas 9y ago
    Try Swinsian: http://swinsian.com http://swinsian.com. Basically iTunes without any bloat.
- j_s 9y ago
  Based on recent HN discussions[1], I will recommend (macOS/Unix-like ncurses): https://cmus.github.io https://cmus.github.io or (personal server with minimal-ish [mobile] clients): https://www.musicpd.org https://www.musicpd.org [1] Efficient music players remain elusive | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14634658 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14634658 (Jun 2017, 246 comments) +3 similar: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=efficient%20music%20elusive&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=efficient%20music%20elusive&ty...
chrisper 9y ago
Reminds me of the landscape mode of the old iTunes(?) app on the iPhone 3gs.
ideophobia 9y ago
I like the look and style, and I think you really nailed the vinyl aesthetic. Unfortunately, I've abandoned music on my iPhone in favor of Spotify+Amazon. But, I would love to see this for non-iOS devices. If you could get it to run on a touch screen powered by a Raspberry Pi, I would totally use it for a home jukebox-stlye device. I think the album art elements and other mechanics would be awesome in that regard.
gtm1260 9y ago
This is horrible.Its just coverflow except portrait. Nothing 'Beautiful' about it.
- hashmal 9y ago
  On people being nice on the internet…
- zkim 9y ago
  This is unduly harsh. And with the organization tools and turntable visualization calling this 'just coverflow' is also incorrect. I'm assuming you don't find the interface particularly appealing, but do you think that others might? From the comments in this post, it sure seems like it. The OP was able to articulate an interesting insight into why other music apps were lacking for him (genres aren't a useful grouping mechanism), and build a (beta!) solution. That's beautiful. From the demo one thing was clear to me: that thought and care went into making this, and that should be respected. Good work, OP. Keep going.
- vortico 9y ago
  All of your projects are horrible too!
tn_ 9y ago
"This is different from genres because genres don't really mean anything today." uhh.
- wiredearp 9y ago
  For folks like the OP who would categorize Tropical Drums Of Deutschland as "morning music", and respect for that, genres stopped making sense about two decades ago. The release is officially classified as both Jazz, Folk, World and Country but it is really none of the above [1]. [1] https://www.discogs.com/Jan-Schulte-Tropical-Drums-Of-Deutschland/release/9970910 https://www.discogs.com/Jan-Schulte-Tropical-Drums-Of-Deutsc...
michaelmcdonald 9y ago
Don't have the time to be a proper beta tester, but would totally pay to have this app!
- deepdesai 9y ago
  If you just wanna get your hands on it, it's already quite stable! And you can totally be an IMproper beta tester :)
dharma1 9y ago
That photek 12" is tight. Would be nice to have curated collections in this app by people whose taste you trust, and to be able to quickly skim through them, like back in the day when you were checking out a stack of vinyl the shop owner would pick out for you.
hashmal 9y ago
I like that for once, the records displayed in a music app are tasteful independent productions and not national top charts.
- deepdesai 9y ago
  TBH I didn't even realize what I was showing when I recorded the screencast, but I find it painful to listen to mass-manufactured crap :)
johndoe489 9y ago
/side rant Do you truly mean "iOs" or did you mean "iPhone"? I couldn't care less if an app is an "iOS" app when it doesn't work on my iOS device (iPad AIR 2 with iOS 11). ps: i'd love to see something like that on iPad. I don't like the builtin player. I used the "track 8" app for a while sadly not updated to iOS 11.
- tinus_hn 9y ago
  I also hate it when I get a Windows program and it doesn't work on my 386. After all, it's running Windows 3.11!
  - johndoe489 9y ago
    Your analogy barely applies to the iPhone / iPad situation. You're talking about APIs accross many generations of an OS, while I'm talking about apps for the same , current OS not supporting different layouts. edit: rewording my previous comment, yes I am using iOS 11 ... and the AIR 2 is not that much behind anyway.
- deepdesai 9y ago
  True iPad support is on the roadmap! PS: I also own an iPad, so this is absolutely going to happen at some point.
vermooten 9y ago
Do people still listen to 'albums'?
- anderscarling 9y ago
  Some people, me included, very much do. :) Edited to add some background: I feel it gives the tracks more context, especially as for many artists an album isn't just an unordered set of independent tracks but a carefully designed listing experience. That said, I still like my playlists as well. ;)
- xj9 9y ago
  i prefer a curated musical experience. so live music, playlists i made or that were shared with me, and albums. i don't use any streaming services either.
- vortico 9y ago
  Yes, absolutely. To think otherwise is ridiculous and tunnel-visioned.
sgt 9y ago
Speaking of TestFlight. Sometimes it's extremely frustrating to send TestFlight invitations to people, and they simply never receive it, or there is a problem with the invitation in some other way. Has anyone else experienced this lately?
- anderscarling 9y ago
  I had some issues with this a few months back, and was in contact with apple dev support about it. They investigated the issue and since then it has worked for me.
tachion 9y ago
There's an issue with that concept, where the iOS for like 2 or 3 major versions now doesn't show properly artists and album art correctly for a lot of people, including myself. Without that fixed, the workflow and user experience is going to be horrible.
motdiem 9y ago
This looks really nice. Am I correct in that it'd work only with apple music currently? Would've loved to test it, but most of my stuff is in spotify...
- deepdesai 9y ago
  Actually it only works with local files (as in synced via iTunes) at the moment. Apple Music is on the roadmap, and so is Spotify!
dimillian 9y ago
Did you used SceneKit, or UIKit dynamics, or is the physical effects are homemade/keyframe animations? Very well done! Edit: On a second thought I would see myself doing it as UICollectionView with a custom layout.
tbodt 9y ago
IMHO it's not 100% intuitive that you press the settings button to search. Maybe a separate search button in the top left?
- deepdesai 9y ago
  I've considered it! But: - I really like the idea of one button for "everything else" - Once you start using the app, I've found that you don't tend to search often, because you just intuitively where things are placed - It's more fun to browse through your collection and find something you'd forgotten about instead of searching for whatever is "top of mind" at the moment
kelnage 9y ago
I don’t suppose you’d be able to support Google Music on iOS? I am a big album person, and the number of hoops I have to jump through to find an album to listen to always frustrates me - so this looks great. The problem is most of my music is either ripped to FLAC or on Google Music these days.
- deepdesai 9y ago
  If there's enough interest in this, and I have the time to do it, I'd be happy to support it! Apple Music and Spotify would probably be first though. TBH I'd rather build in FLAC support, iPhones have plenty of storage these days.
dzhiurgis 9y ago
At which release Apple will just stop supporting playing your own mp3? iOS 14-15?
JustSomeNobody 9y ago
This is definitely a pretty app. I can see from the quick video that you put a lot of effort into. However, it looks just too fiddly for my taste[0]. [0] As in, too many touches required.
- deepdesai 9y ago
  Don't mean to be a pushy-car-salesman-types, but I think you should take it for a test drive – your experience might surprise you. One of my explicit goals in designing the app was to get you OUT of the app ASAP, since I don't give a damn about "engagement". Today, the stock iOS music app seems too fiddly to me...

52 points by deepdesai 9y ago

vortico 9y ago

I don't use iOS (just mpv on my laptop), but this is the sort of well-thought out design that modern software needs. A clear vision followed out through development into a product without sacrificing major features.

deepdesai 9y ago
Thank you, kind stranger on the internet! :) I actually only recently started learning how to code, this is my first project.
- ballenf 9y ago
  I came here to say the same. I'd love to see Apple implement this style in more of their os and apps. I can only imagine how much better a calculator, for a start, you could make than Apple's! Seriously, nice work.

Confiks 9y ago

I'm completely ignorant about any iOS music player, having only every seriously used Android, but didn't the first iPhone have such a feature already? Such as showcased in the famous reveal video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN4U5FqrOdQ&t=1084 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN4U5FqrOdQ&t=1084 Did it get removed?

dan1234 9y ago
Cover Flow, as it was named, was removed during the great Skeuomorphic purge of 2013.

cr1895 9y ago

I like this! I'm not sure what's involved in your beta testing nor do I have any idea what TestFlight is, but I'd like to give it a try. My purchased music that's actually on my iPhone is somewhat limited (maybe a dozen albums) but I'm always using Spotify and increasingly Apple Music; maybe I'm not quite the user you're targeting at this point. But I'm very much someone who appreciates albums in whole form and care very much about seeing the artwork/info/etc well, as much as is possible in an app...my main jam is vinyl. edit: I'd potentially find this even more useful in iPad form, where I could pair it to my stereo and have nice, large graphics.

deepdesai 9y ago
Apple Music support is absolutely on the roadmap, and so is iPad support! If you haven't already, do send me an email. TestFlight is Apple's platform for doing beta testing, it's super straightforward.
- techdragon 9y ago
  Glad you answered the this point, I'm pretty keen to try any alternative to the white + bold/slab San serif wasteland that is the Apple Music app. The moment they went from one touch on the home screen, to several taps into a sub menu in order to "love" a track i knew the UX team went off the rails. So I'm keen to try new apps that support Apple music, but the majority are just shovelware or borderline malware.

throwanem 9y ago

Not really something I see myself using, sad to say - I have way too much music to ever fit on my phone, which limits my options in practice to those with solid self-hosted streaming support. But I really like the style!

deepdesai 9y ago
Apple Music support is on the roadmap!

mcgarnagle 9y ago

I too am annoyed with the ios music app. And this is a beautiful app you have made here. However, for me I prefer practicality. I miss the days when the apple music app for ios would display everything in plain text, just like the old ipods. It made finding music faster, and gave me more retail space on my screen. I dread apps that don't give me this option, and force me to scroll through heavy animations of artwork to find my artist by name. I don't want to sort and find things by colors.

ansgri 9y ago

Maybe a wrong place to ask, but can somebody recommend an opposite of this? I don't care for album covers (at least while listening) and prefer alphabetized lists and a text-only playlist for a main view. With good queue management (like in old Winamp and iOS 10 Music; in 11 they screwed it up).

tomovo 9y ago
If you want to load and play your own MP3s you could try Tiny Player. App Store: http://itunes.apple.com/app/id1140849233 http://itunes.apple.com/app/id1140849233
- ansgri 9y ago
  Thanks, this is somewhat orthogonal to purely UI concerns, but it's very useful to know it exists! BTW, is it really possible for third-party players to access music from Apple Music?
  - tomovo 9y ago
    It is since iOS 11.
4ad 9y ago
I'm looking for same thing but for macOS. People usually recommend Vox, but Vox is absolutely awful. Tiny ass window, that always, ALWAYS, drags songs when I try to scroll.
- nklas 9y ago
  Try Swinsian: http://swinsian.com http://swinsian.com. Basically iTunes without any bloat.
j_s 9y ago
Based on recent HN discussions[1], I will recommend (macOS/Unix-like ncurses): https://cmus.github.io https://cmus.github.io or (personal server with minimal-ish [mobile] clients): https://www.musicpd.org https://www.musicpd.org [1] Efficient music players remain elusive | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14634658 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14634658 (Jun 2017, 246 comments) +3 similar: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=efficient%20music%20elusive&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=efficient%20music%20elusive&ty...

chrisper 9y ago

Reminds me of the landscape mode of the old iTunes(?) app on the iPhone 3gs.

ideophobia 9y ago

I like the look and style, and I think you really nailed the vinyl aesthetic. Unfortunately, I've abandoned music on my iPhone in favor of Spotify+Amazon. But, I would love to see this for non-iOS devices. If you could get it to run on a touch screen powered by a Raspberry Pi, I would totally use it for a home jukebox-stlye device. I think the album art elements and other mechanics would be awesome in that regard.

gtm1260 9y ago

This is horrible.Its just coverflow except portrait. Nothing 'Beautiful' about it.

hashmal 9y ago
On people being nice on the internet…
zkim 9y ago
This is unduly harsh. And with the organization tools and turntable visualization calling this 'just coverflow' is also incorrect. I'm assuming you don't find the interface particularly appealing, but do you think that others might? From the comments in this post, it sure seems like it. The OP was able to articulate an interesting insight into why other music apps were lacking for him (genres aren't a useful grouping mechanism), and build a (beta!) solution. That's beautiful. From the demo one thing was clear to me: that thought and care went into making this, and that should be respected. Good work, OP. Keep going.
vortico 9y ago
All of your projects are horrible too!

tn_ 9y ago

"This is different from genres because genres don't really mean anything today." uhh.

wiredearp 9y ago
For folks like the OP who would categorize Tropical Drums Of Deutschland as "morning music", and respect for that, genres stopped making sense about two decades ago. The release is officially classified as both Jazz, Folk, World and Country but it is really none of the above [1]. [1] https://www.discogs.com/Jan-Schulte-Tropical-Drums-Of-Deutschland/release/9970910 https://www.discogs.com/Jan-Schulte-Tropical-Drums-Of-Deutsc...

michaelmcdonald 9y ago

Don't have the time to be a proper beta tester, but would totally pay to have this app!

deepdesai 9y ago
If you just wanna get your hands on it, it's already quite stable! And you can totally be an IMproper beta tester :)

dharma1 9y ago

That photek 12" is tight. Would be nice to have curated collections in this app by people whose taste you trust, and to be able to quickly skim through them, like back in the day when you were checking out a stack of vinyl the shop owner would pick out for you.

hashmal 9y ago

I like that for once, the records displayed in a music app are tasteful independent productions and not national top charts.

deepdesai 9y ago
TBH I didn't even realize what I was showing when I recorded the screencast, but I find it painful to listen to mass-manufactured crap :)

johndoe489 9y ago

/side rant Do you truly mean "iOs" or did you mean "iPhone"? I couldn't care less if an app is an "iOS" app when it doesn't work on my iOS device (iPad AIR 2 with iOS 11). ps: i'd love to see something like that on iPad. I don't like the builtin player. I used the "track 8" app for a while sadly not updated to iOS 11.

tinus_hn 9y ago
I also hate it when I get a Windows program and it doesn't work on my 386. After all, it's running Windows 3.11!
- johndoe489 9y ago
  Your analogy barely applies to the iPhone / iPad situation. You're talking about APIs accross many generations of an OS, while I'm talking about apps for the same , current OS not supporting different layouts. edit: rewording my previous comment, yes I am using iOS 11 ... and the AIR 2 is not that much behind anyway.
deepdesai 9y ago
True iPad support is on the roadmap! PS: I also own an iPad, so this is absolutely going to happen at some point.

vermooten 9y ago

Do people still listen to 'albums'?

anderscarling 9y ago
Some people, me included, very much do. :) Edited to add some background: I feel it gives the tracks more context, especially as for many artists an album isn't just an unordered set of independent tracks but a carefully designed listing experience. That said, I still like my playlists as well. ;)
xj9 9y ago
i prefer a curated musical experience. so live music, playlists i made or that were shared with me, and albums. i don't use any streaming services either.
vortico 9y ago
Yes, absolutely. To think otherwise is ridiculous and tunnel-visioned.

sgt 9y ago

Speaking of TestFlight. Sometimes it's extremely frustrating to send TestFlight invitations to people, and they simply never receive it, or there is a problem with the invitation in some other way. Has anyone else experienced this lately?

anderscarling 9y ago
I had some issues with this a few months back, and was in contact with apple dev support about it. They investigated the issue and since then it has worked for me.

tachion 9y ago

There's an issue with that concept, where the iOS for like 2 or 3 major versions now doesn't show properly artists and album art correctly for a lot of people, including myself. Without that fixed, the workflow and user experience is going to be horrible.

motdiem 9y ago

This looks really nice. Am I correct in that it'd work only with apple music currently? Would've loved to test it, but most of my stuff is in spotify...

deepdesai 9y ago
Actually it only works with local files (as in synced via iTunes) at the moment. Apple Music is on the roadmap, and so is Spotify!

dimillian 9y ago

Did you used SceneKit, or UIKit dynamics, or is the physical effects are homemade/keyframe animations? Very well done! Edit: On a second thought I would see myself doing it as UICollectionView with a custom layout.

tbodt 9y ago

IMHO it's not 100% intuitive that you press the settings button to search. Maybe a separate search button in the top left?

deepdesai 9y ago
I've considered it! But: - I really like the idea of one button for "everything else" - Once you start using the app, I've found that you don't tend to search often, because you just intuitively where things are placed - It's more fun to browse through your collection and find something you'd forgotten about instead of searching for whatever is "top of mind" at the moment

kelnage 9y ago

I don’t suppose you’d be able to support Google Music on iOS? I am a big album person, and the number of hoops I have to jump through to find an album to listen to always frustrates me - so this looks great. The problem is most of my music is either ripped to FLAC or on Google Music these days.

deepdesai 9y ago
If there's enough interest in this, and I have the time to do it, I'd be happy to support it! Apple Music and Spotify would probably be first though. TBH I'd rather build in FLAC support, iPhones have plenty of storage these days.

dzhiurgis 9y ago

At which release Apple will just stop supporting playing your own mp3? iOS 14-15?

JustSomeNobody 9y ago

This is definitely a pretty app. I can see from the quick video that you put a lot of effort into. However, it looks just too fiddly for my taste[0]. [0] As in, too many touches required.

deepdesai 9y ago
Don't mean to be a pushy-car-salesman-types, but I think you should take it for a test drive – your experience might surprise you. One of my explicit goals in designing the app was to get you OUT of the app ASAP, since I don't give a damn about "engagement". Today, the stock iOS music app seems too fiddly to me...