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Monopoly in what? There are plenty of sites that specialize in sex cams, private shows and amateur porn, so why not just go there? There are legitimate reasons

by kbart 9y ago

Monopoly in what? There are plenty of sites that specialize in sex cams, private shows and amateur porn, so why not just go there? There are legitimate reasons to avoid adult content in your private site as it is very easy to get into serious problems where as site owner/administrator your are legally responsible: underage actors, abuse, prostitution claims (where it is illegal) etc. just to name few.

kuschku 9y ago
I meant payment processors. MasterCard, VISA and PayPal all will refuse to do business with you, or pressure you into changing your business, if you're found to be in the pornography or prostitution business. Even if that's legal in your country. And in Sweden, banks are now collecting fees for getting cash, or paying in cash, of about 10$ each. So you can't really do anything as customer or company without MasterCard or VISA anymore. At this point, these systems should be split up, or replaced by an international payment standard with nationalised implementors.
- kbart 9y ago
  So how do legitimate porn sites collect money? It's a multi-billion industry, I'm sure they've solved this problem somehow.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    According to Wikipedia, many of them accept bitcoins, wire transfers, etc. Obviously, that is a significant hurdle that isn't required for other businesses. A similar issue existed a few years back with a major German retailer, which sold cuban cigars — and MasterCard, VISA and PayPal closed their accounts over it, but luckily in Germany wire transfers, direct debit and Europay cards are common enough that they had an alternative.
    - icebraining 9y ago
      This is a case where a little first-hand investigation might prove more fruitful :) For example, Ersties.com, a site made by a German woman and owned by a Swiss company, accepts Paypal and Credit Cards. Abbywinters, which I believe is currently Dutch, also accepts credit cards, as does GirlsOutWest. Granted, this is not a big sample, just three whose content I happen to like, but it shows that it's hardly an impossibility.
- Torgo 9y ago
  Porn is a multi-billion dollar industry. Maybe the big players should start a payment processor.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    The German economy is a multi-trillion dollar economy. And yet, one payment processor (Europay) was simply bought by MasterCard, and the other (Girocard) can't compete anymore, because they can't influence what standards are used by Android Pay, Apple Pay, and NFC terminals (Hint: it's not the EMV standards themselves, but only specifically the large credit card networks)
- lawnchair_larry 9y ago
  Nope, you just made that up. Go to any of the well known sites and they all seem to have credit card signup pages Also, I don't see what that has to do with Patreon.

by kbart 9y ago

kuschku 9y ago

I meant payment processors. MasterCard, VISA and PayPal all will refuse to do business with you, or pressure you into changing your business, if you're found to be in the pornography or prostitution business. Even if that's legal in your country. And in Sweden, banks are now collecting fees for getting cash, or paying in cash, of about 10$ each. So you can't really do anything as customer or company without MasterCard or VISA anymore. At this point, these systems should be split up, or replaced by an international payment standard with nationalised implementors.

kbart 9y ago
So how do legitimate porn sites collect money? It's a multi-billion industry, I'm sure they've solved this problem somehow.
- kuschku 9y ago
  According to Wikipedia, many of them accept bitcoins, wire transfers, etc. Obviously, that is a significant hurdle that isn't required for other businesses. A similar issue existed a few years back with a major German retailer, which sold cuban cigars — and MasterCard, VISA and PayPal closed their accounts over it, but luckily in Germany wire transfers, direct debit and Europay cards are common enough that they had an alternative.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    This is a case where a little first-hand investigation might prove more fruitful :) For example, Ersties.com, a site made by a German woman and owned by a Swiss company, accepts Paypal and Credit Cards. Abbywinters, which I believe is currently Dutch, also accepts credit cards, as does GirlsOutWest. Granted, this is not a big sample, just three whose content I happen to like, but it shows that it's hardly an impossibility.
Torgo 9y ago
Porn is a multi-billion dollar industry. Maybe the big players should start a payment processor.
- kuschku 9y ago
  The German economy is a multi-trillion dollar economy. And yet, one payment processor (Europay) was simply bought by MasterCard, and the other (Girocard) can't compete anymore, because they can't influence what standards are used by Android Pay, Apple Pay, and NFC terminals (Hint: it's not the EMV standards themselves, but only specifically the large credit card networks)
lawnchair_larry 9y ago
Nope, you just made that up. Go to any of the well known sites and they all seem to have credit card signup pages Also, I don't see what that has to do with Patreon.