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> So basically this guy is forking bitcoin Nope. ~80% of miners, 90% of Bitcoin businesses, and at least half of the community are forking Bitcoin. Jeff just

> So basically this guy is forking bitcoin Nope. ~80% of miners, 90% of Bitcoin businesses, and at least half of the community are forking Bitcoin. Jeff just happens to be the lead developer for the new client. The contention has been there for years and it's been fueled by the horrific sensorship on the main communication channels. This is sad to see though. I don't know how he'll find time to juggle both of these projects.

chabes 9y ago
> at least half of the community source?
rothbardrand 9y ago
There's no evidence of that, more than %90 of miners are running core, and there are more businesses opposed to 2x than endorsing it: http://nob2x.org http://nob2x.org Meanwhile "signers" of the New York "Agreement"[1] are dropping like flies, most recent Coinbase that says they will support the core chain. Hell the biggest "proponents" of 2X aren't willing to risk their own bitcoin in a swap (eg: Ver who has backed out of such promises in the past too with BCH) 2X is nothing but a scam to get suckers to sell BTC for B2X while people like Ver sell B2X to get more BTC! Its funny how the bitcoin haters talk about censorship-- reality is /r/bitcoin is not censored, but the entire 2x movement was done behind closed doors, with no peer review, with a heavily censored slack channel and mailing list-- that is if you can get on it in the first place... while bitcoin does all this in public. 2X hasn't had commits or serious work in months last I checked and I really feel sad for the people who bought the propaganda these scammers are selling. [1] It's not an agreement when only one side agreed with itself.
- j_s 9y ago
  > reality is /r/bitcoin is not censored As a complete outsider not paying much attention this is the first time I've ever seen anyone try to make this claim, it seems easily disproven.
  - rothbardrand 9y ago
    It's easily proven-- go there and look at all the /r/btc brigading going on. The subreddit is full of trolls. And of course whenever one gets abusive and is banned they cry censorship. Now look at my comment you are replying to-- -3 -- an attempt to downvote it into oblivion with no actual responses (other than yours) to the points I made. There is censorship going on, but the ones crying the loudest are the worst offenders.
just_one_time_ 9y ago
I agree, the only critisism is that Jeff will be spreading himself too thin. It is 90%+ of the Bitcoin Network that agreed to and are now signaling for an upgrade of the network to allow 2MB blocks. It seems to only contentious voice is from employees of the private company Blockstream, who's business models depends on Bitcoin having slow and expensive transactions.
jhall1468 9y ago
> ~80% of miners Miners follow the money. They are irrelevant for hard forks. > 90% of Bitcoin businesses Coinbase and Bitfinex all announced 2X will be listed as an alt coin. So the largest USD > BTC exchange and the large BTC > alt exchange are both listing 2X as an altcoin. > and at least half of the community are forking Bitcoin. There's zero way to poll the "community". 90% of the community has no damn idea that this is going on, and of the vocal 10% the majority are supporting the current client by non-scientific accounts (population of /r/bitcoin vs /r/btc). > Jeff just happens to be the lead developer for the new client. By all accounts he's effectively the only developer. > This is sad to see though. I don't know how he'll find time to juggle both of these proj One of them is already dead per the Coinbase/Bitfinex announcement. And frankly, he wasn't doing anything with it aside from increasing the block weight anyway.

chabes 9y ago

> at least half of the community source?

rothbardrand 9y ago

There's no evidence of that, more than %90 of miners are running core, and there are more businesses opposed to 2x than endorsing it: http://nob2x.org http://nob2x.org Meanwhile "signers" of the New York "Agreement"[1] are dropping like flies, most recent Coinbase that says they will support the core chain. Hell the biggest "proponents" of 2X aren't willing to risk their own bitcoin in a swap (eg: Ver who has backed out of such promises in the past too with BCH) 2X is nothing but a scam to get suckers to sell BTC for B2X while people like Ver sell B2X to get more BTC! Its funny how the bitcoin haters talk about censorship-- reality is /r/bitcoin is not censored, but the entire 2x movement was done behind closed doors, with no peer review, with a heavily censored slack channel and mailing list-- that is if you can get on it in the first place... while bitcoin does all this in public. 2X hasn't had commits or serious work in months last I checked and I really feel sad for the people who bought the propaganda these scammers are selling. [1] It's not an agreement when only one side agreed with itself.

j_s 9y ago
> reality is /r/bitcoin is not censored As a complete outsider not paying much attention this is the first time I've ever seen anyone try to make this claim, it seems easily disproven.
- rothbardrand 9y ago
  It's easily proven-- go there and look at all the /r/btc brigading going on. The subreddit is full of trolls. And of course whenever one gets abusive and is banned they cry censorship. Now look at my comment you are replying to-- -3 -- an attempt to downvote it into oblivion with no actual responses (other than yours) to the points I made. There is censorship going on, but the ones crying the loudest are the worst offenders.

just_one_time_ 9y ago

I agree, the only critisism is that Jeff will be spreading himself too thin. It is 90%+ of the Bitcoin Network that agreed to and are now signaling for an upgrade of the network to allow 2MB blocks. It seems to only contentious voice is from employees of the private company Blockstream, who's business models depends on Bitcoin having slow and expensive transactions.

jhall1468 9y ago

> ~80% of miners Miners follow the money. They are irrelevant for hard forks. > 90% of Bitcoin businesses Coinbase and Bitfinex all announced 2X will be listed as an alt coin. So the largest USD > BTC exchange and the large BTC > alt exchange are both listing 2X as an altcoin. > and at least half of the community are forking Bitcoin. There's zero way to poll the "community". 90% of the community has no damn idea that this is going on, and of the vocal 10% the majority are supporting the current client by non-scientific accounts (population of /r/bitcoin vs /r/btc). > Jeff just happens to be the lead developer for the new client. By all accounts he's effectively the only developer. > This is sad to see though. I don't know how he'll find time to juggle both of these proj One of them is already dead per the Coinbase/Bitfinex announcement. And frankly, he wasn't doing anything with it aside from increasing the block weight anyway.