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I have done plenty of manning up. I paid down debt while improving my income while homeless. I also appear to be the only woman on the leaderboard of Hacker New

by Mz 9y ago

I have done plenty of manning up. I paid down debt while improving my income while homeless. I also appear to be the only woman on the leaderboard of Hacker News, so I appear to get taken a helluva lot more seriously than most women. It still fails to translate to serious income, even though a recent resume job I did was for a CEO who indicated he knew me via Hacker News and I had impressed him. Getting taken seriously for a woman is apparently still pretty damn pathetic. I would like to get taken seriously without such qualifiers. Such qualifiers are always a huge negative. Women only awards are basically a dunce cap with a crown drawn on it to pretty it up. They are akin to the Special Olympics. The fundamental message there is that "you can't really compete."

nostromo123 9y ago
I am a woman, and, in my experience, most women in IT are taken quite seriously. Of course there are idiots around, but in a company of jerks, men will not have a good life, either. What makes me take a woman less seriously is the demand for special conditions and an expectation that society owes them something for all the "evils of patriarchy" or some such BS.
- Mz 9y ago
  That isn't my position. I don't appreciate having it implied about me.
belorn 9y ago
The only one that can compete is the few lucky percent at top that have health and strength to do so. Manning up is not an achievement, it is a symptom of the core issue in cultural differences in how women and men are treated. The general cultural view seen in for example health care is that men are assumed healthy and strong. This is great if you are that, but catastrophic if you aren't. Treatments get delayed, problems worsened, and in psychology there is a recognized problem of not seeing mental illness in men. For women its not perfect either. While assumed poor health do generally lead to faster treatment and better contact with the health care for women, the doctors don't believe in actually curing problems so health care for women has disproportionation amount of only addressing symptoms. In averages, some treatment is still better than no treatment which is reflected in the statistics and increased life span. This pattern show up all the time in gender studies. Men end up as majority at the top and bottom of the charts, women at the middle. The fact that you are a woman should in average give you an advantage at work in comparison to men with same health issues, pushing you towards the middle. Men can pretend and hide the health issue for a while (ie manning up), but its unlikely to work and carries with it some major health risks, not to mention that shitastic experience. In all its a bad situation for everyone with health issues, regardless of gender.
- Mz 9y ago
  I have been working on both my health issues and my income. I have seen improvements in both. To my mind, this is not terribly relevant to the issue I would like to see resolved. I have done all that. It hasn't exactly resulted in accolades, so to speak. In fact, it appears to me that I am so competent that people routinely think I am just making shit up. They think I am an egomaniac, liar, deluded or something along those lines. I don't like where this conversation is going at all. I think my time would be better spent talking to myself in a corner in the form of blogging. Adieu.

by Mz 9y ago

nostromo123 9y ago

I am a woman, and, in my experience, most women in IT are taken quite seriously. Of course there are idiots around, but in a company of jerks, men will not have a good life, either. What makes me take a woman less seriously is the demand for special conditions and an expectation that society owes them something for all the "evils of patriarchy" or some such BS.

Mz 9y ago
That isn't my position. I don't appreciate having it implied about me.

belorn 9y ago

The only one that can compete is the few lucky percent at top that have health and strength to do so. Manning up is not an achievement, it is a symptom of the core issue in cultural differences in how women and men are treated. The general cultural view seen in for example health care is that men are assumed healthy and strong. This is great if you are that, but catastrophic if you aren't. Treatments get delayed, problems worsened, and in psychology there is a recognized problem of not seeing mental illness in men. For women its not perfect either. While assumed poor health do generally lead to faster treatment and better contact with the health care for women, the doctors don't believe in actually curing problems so health care for women has disproportionation amount of only addressing symptoms. In averages, some treatment is still better than no treatment which is reflected in the statistics and increased life span. This pattern show up all the time in gender studies. Men end up as majority at the top and bottom of the charts, women at the middle. The fact that you are a woman should in average give you an advantage at work in comparison to men with same health issues, pushing you towards the middle. Men can pretend and hide the health issue for a while (ie manning up), but its unlikely to work and carries with it some major health risks, not to mention that shitastic experience. In all its a bad situation for everyone with health issues, regardless of gender.

Mz 9y ago
I have been working on both my health issues and my income. I have seen improvements in both. To my mind, this is not terribly relevant to the issue I would like to see resolved. I have done all that. It hasn't exactly resulted in accolades, so to speak. In fact, it appears to me that I am so competent that people routinely think I am just making shit up. They think I am an egomaniac, liar, deluded or something along those lines. I don't like where this conversation is going at all. I think my time would be better spent talking to myself in a corner in the form of blogging. Adieu.