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I probably own more Apple devices than most people here (even considering this is HN we're talking about) because I do a lot of iOS programming and I have to us

I probably own more Apple devices than most people here (even considering this is HN we're talking about) because I do a lot of iOS programming and I have to use them as test devices. I also own the latest devices. But this problem is not some stupid complaint coming from uninformed people. This calculator thing was a perfect symbolism for all this bullshit that's been going on since iOS 11 release because the bug is so easy to replicate, but there's much more going on than just this calculator bug. Before I go on, note that I have the latest iOS installed, and I do iOS development. I'm not a clueless newbie. Anyway here are some examples: 1. my iPhone apps crash 50% of the times when I bring them back from sleep. 2. Even the ones that DO load, takes around 8 seconds on average to start up. This includes Email and iMessage. Yes, I have to wait 8 seconds for my mail app and messages app to "boot up" before being able to check a message I just received. This is ridiculous. I have talked to several of my friends who have been experiencing the same thing. 3. I had to turn off animations. Otherwise I couldn't my screen will freeze when i try to type into imessage, etc. Remember, all of the above are happening WITHOUT the animation turned on. 4. I started getting emails from "No Sender" with empty content, couple of times a day. I'm just assuming this has something to do with some fucked internal clock (I have double checked and my iCal and preferences are correctly set) but who knows. 5. Yesterday I was trying to take a picture and opened the camera. And YES, I mean the native camera app that ships with iOS. I saw the camera UI launch, but there was no "camera". It was just a black screen. I've become accustomed to this type of lag in app loading so i waited for my camera to "boot up". It never did. The camera app was open and there were all the UI components, but it wasn't capturing anything. I have never seen anything like this before. Please stop saying "haha it's funny how these idiots think some calculator problem means Apple's future is doomed" because last time something like this happened was when I switched from Windows to Mac.

dvt 9y ago
Was going to upgrade to an iPhone X. After this iOS 11 nonsense, I'm honestly considering going back to Android. It's absolutely unforgivable how terrible my iPhone 6S has been running since the update. Same as you: constant crashes, random freezes and reboots, abysmal battery life, not to mention an insane bug where when someone calls you (or you call them), they can't hear you and you can't hear them. This bug persists until you reboot your phone. Like, wtf? This feels like Apple has crossed the Rubicon. The Steve Jobs era is officially over.
- ekzy 9y ago
  Same here. My 6S quite often freezes. I also sometimes have a network problem that I never had before, no internet connection at all even when I have a full 4G signal, and I have to reboot the phone. Does anyone else experience this issue?
  - JustSomeNobody 9y ago
    I have a 6S. I suggest doing a DFU and set up as new.
- mulletbum 9y ago
  Just for your information, take it for what you will, but I recently purchased a Pixel 2 to try out. I think Android 8 has some flaws atm that are really kneecapping things. I had constant app crashes. Loading problems. All sorts of little things that seemed to be super buggy. Windows appearing behind other windows, adds not properly being put into their space. I went back to my iPhone 6s. That said, you might have a better experience, those things might get fixed. I am sure they will be fixed both on iOS and Android. I am just saying, the latest and greatest on Android kind of sucks too.
- napsterbr 9y ago
  +1 on the silent call bug (and the others too). Apple managed to make a smartphone unable to launch apps and make calls. Not sure if incompetence or malice. Regardless, I'm never looking back.
- yuskii 9y ago
  I'm in this boat, was excited about the X but after 11 and the confusing 8 vs X lineup, I'm just not sure what do anymore. At this point, it's a wait and see game
zimpenfish 9y ago
> I have the latest iOS installed If you mean one of the developer betas then that's the cause of ... > [apps take a long time to load]
- cocktailpeanuts 9y ago
  No, i have tried all versions and currently have the public version. I have given up on developer betas already, I don't trust them anymore. But I expected public OS to work as expected. So no, the developer beta is not the cause. It happens to me and a lot of my "normal" friends who just upgraded their iOS because it kept bothering them with push notification to upgrade.
  - dep_b 9y ago
    With iOS 11 at this moment the developer betas are better than the released alphas.
nothis 9y ago
>5. Yesterday I was trying to take a picture and opened the camera. And YES, I mean the native camera app that ships with iOS. I saw the camera UI launch, but there was no "camera". It was just a black screen. I've become accustomed to this type of lag in app loading so i waited for my camera to "boot up". It never did. The camera app was open and there were all the UI components, but it wasn't capturing anything. I have never seen anything like this before. On iOS 10, I noticed, if I swipe the lock screen left and right really fast where it brings in the camera, it eventually gets stuck. Like half the screen is now black and nothing happens until I hit the reset button. This is reproducible. It seemed to me like a really weird little bug to have on maybe the most popular mobile OS on earth but brushed it off as me being anal about something not even Apple considers a problem. This calculator story is a bit of a waking call that Apple UX quality genuinely did get worse in recent years. It's little things that add up. It's the little annoyances with Android that keep me coming back to iOS but now it seems like they're introducing all kinds of new issues with iOS. Ugly.
- seba_dos1 9y ago
  "on maybe the most popular mobile OS on earth" You can't be the most popular if your competitor's market share is ~85%. https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone-market-share/os https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone-market-share/os
  - zimpenfish 9y ago
    You can if you mean "most popular" in terms of customer satisfaction - http://www.theacsi.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=149&catid=&Itemid=214&c=Apple&i=Cellular+Telephones http://www.theacsi.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=art...
    - seba_dos1 9y ago
      In the USA, which is a pretty small part of the Earth, and where iOS has 45% of the market, compared to 15% worldwide.
krisdol 9y ago
I’ve been having the same experience with iOS 11. I often open the phone app to call someone I recently talked to, see their name at the top, click it to call them, only for the phone to call someone else. What’s happening is that someone else had called me in the meantime and iOS showed me the cached image of the screen but registered my touch on the “real”/live view of the screen. Safari does the same thing on both iOS and OSX when you swipe back and interact with the page, and I’m sad to be seeing that behavior leak elsewhere. Super frustrating. Also, the amount of lag when loading basic apps has increased significantly with this update (I have an iPhone 6s).
- ballenf 9y ago
  Safari on the desktop is very, very bad about doing this. The browser benchmark tests really should include this metric: the average time to ready after navigating back. Showing a cached image but registering a click on a different image just seems like such an obvious thing to avoid.
paultopia 9y ago
I've been getting the camera black screen at least since ios9 on 5s and 6s.
jmull 9y ago
Many of your problems are not the common ones that people are having with iOS 11. And even ones like 2. which many people are having sounds more extreme for you. I think you might want to debug this like a problem rather than assume it’s all due to Apple errors. With all that’s going on I’d probably just jump all the way to a full restore.
- cocktailpeanuts 9y ago
  Come on man, you don't have to go that far. just read rest of the thread and you'll see tons of people complaining about the same thing. As I mentioned I have multiple devices and I observe these problems everywhere. And I have heard the same from friends too. And all these people on this thread are complaining about it. Now where is your source on how my problem is just some extreme case and my own fault?
  - jmull 9y ago
    Well, I have iOS 11 on multiple devices and have friends with iOS 11 and I’m seeing (and hearing about) launch lag and the calculator button problem but not your other issues. So this isn’t simply an iOS 11 problem you can do nothing about besides complain on the internet. I mean, if that’s what you prefer to do, be my guest. I don’t mind at all. I’m just pointing out you might be able to do something about some of the problems. Also, I didn’t say it was your fault. I get that you’re frustrated, but it doesn’t help to get angry, especially with people who are trying to help you.
  - ballenf 9y ago
    The 50% crash rate on your apps is what made me feel like your experience is the exception not the rule. On my iPhone 6 I see maybe a crash rate of 2-5% (one in 20-50). There are apps with higher crash rates from time to time that usually get fixed with updates. I don't try to run the latest demanding 3d games and such on the phone, since I don't expect them to be usable on a 3-year-old device. Maybe you're pushing your devices harder than I do or something but I second the parent's sentiment that your experience is out of the ordinary. But that doesn't mean it's your fault at all, just unusual. All that being said, I'm overall less happy with iOS 11 than 10 on my phone. But love it on the iPad.
rocking_duck 9y ago
Having exactly the same issues on my iPhone 6S. Camera randomly takes forever to load, and sometimes doesn't load at all (black screen). Since iOS 11 it's a 50/50 chance that accepting an incoming call works. I press the green button but it keeps ringing until the other person hangs up. Even physical home button becomes unresponsive, many times a day I have to do a forced restart (home button + sleep wake button pressed). This is infuriating!!

dvt 9y ago

Was going to upgrade to an iPhone X. After this iOS 11 nonsense, I'm honestly considering going back to Android. It's absolutely unforgivable how terrible my iPhone 6S has been running since the update. Same as you: constant crashes, random freezes and reboots, abysmal battery life, not to mention an insane bug where when someone calls you (or you call them), they can't hear you and you can't hear them. This bug persists until you reboot your phone. Like, wtf? This feels like Apple has crossed the Rubicon. The Steve Jobs era is officially over.

ekzy 9y ago
Same here. My 6S quite often freezes. I also sometimes have a network problem that I never had before, no internet connection at all even when I have a full 4G signal, and I have to reboot the phone. Does anyone else experience this issue?
- JustSomeNobody 9y ago
  I have a 6S. I suggest doing a DFU and set up as new.
mulletbum 9y ago
Just for your information, take it for what you will, but I recently purchased a Pixel 2 to try out. I think Android 8 has some flaws atm that are really kneecapping things. I had constant app crashes. Loading problems. All sorts of little things that seemed to be super buggy. Windows appearing behind other windows, adds not properly being put into their space. I went back to my iPhone 6s. That said, you might have a better experience, those things might get fixed. I am sure they will be fixed both on iOS and Android. I am just saying, the latest and greatest on Android kind of sucks too.
napsterbr 9y ago
+1 on the silent call bug (and the others too). Apple managed to make a smartphone unable to launch apps and make calls. Not sure if incompetence or malice. Regardless, I'm never looking back.
yuskii 9y ago
I'm in this boat, was excited about the X but after 11 and the confusing 8 vs X lineup, I'm just not sure what do anymore. At this point, it's a wait and see game

zimpenfish 9y ago

> I have the latest iOS installed If you mean one of the developer betas then that's the cause of ... > [apps take a long time to load]

cocktailpeanuts 9y ago
No, i have tried all versions and currently have the public version. I have given up on developer betas already, I don't trust them anymore. But I expected public OS to work as expected. So no, the developer beta is not the cause. It happens to me and a lot of my "normal" friends who just upgraded their iOS because it kept bothering them with push notification to upgrade.
- dep_b 9y ago
  With iOS 11 at this moment the developer betas are better than the released alphas.

nothis 9y ago

>5. Yesterday I was trying to take a picture and opened the camera. And YES, I mean the native camera app that ships with iOS. I saw the camera UI launch, but there was no "camera". It was just a black screen. I've become accustomed to this type of lag in app loading so i waited for my camera to "boot up". It never did. The camera app was open and there were all the UI components, but it wasn't capturing anything. I have never seen anything like this before. On iOS 10, I noticed, if I swipe the lock screen left and right really fast where it brings in the camera, it eventually gets stuck. Like half the screen is now black and nothing happens until I hit the reset button. This is reproducible. It seemed to me like a really weird little bug to have on maybe the most popular mobile OS on earth but brushed it off as me being anal about something not even Apple considers a problem. This calculator story is a bit of a waking call that Apple UX quality genuinely did get worse in recent years. It's little things that add up. It's the little annoyances with Android that keep me coming back to iOS but now it seems like they're introducing all kinds of new issues with iOS. Ugly.

seba_dos1 9y ago
"on maybe the most popular mobile OS on earth" You can't be the most popular if your competitor's market share is ~85%. https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone-market-share/os https://www.idc.com/promo/smartphone-market-share/os
- zimpenfish 9y ago
  You can if you mean "most popular" in terms of customer satisfaction - http://www.theacsi.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=149&catid=&Itemid=214&c=Apple&i=Cellular+Telephones http://www.theacsi.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=art...
  - seba_dos1 9y ago
    In the USA, which is a pretty small part of the Earth, and where iOS has 45% of the market, compared to 15% worldwide.

krisdol 9y ago

I’ve been having the same experience with iOS 11. I often open the phone app to call someone I recently talked to, see their name at the top, click it to call them, only for the phone to call someone else. What’s happening is that someone else had called me in the meantime and iOS showed me the cached image of the screen but registered my touch on the “real”/live view of the screen. Safari does the same thing on both iOS and OSX when you swipe back and interact with the page, and I’m sad to be seeing that behavior leak elsewhere. Super frustrating. Also, the amount of lag when loading basic apps has increased significantly with this update (I have an iPhone 6s).

ballenf 9y ago
Safari on the desktop is very, very bad about doing this. The browser benchmark tests really should include this metric: the average time to ready after navigating back. Showing a cached image but registering a click on a different image just seems like such an obvious thing to avoid.

paultopia 9y ago

I've been getting the camera black screen at least since ios9 on 5s and 6s.

jmull 9y ago

Many of your problems are not the common ones that people are having with iOS 11. And even ones like 2. which many people are having sounds more extreme for you. I think you might want to debug this like a problem rather than assume it’s all due to Apple errors. With all that’s going on I’d probably just jump all the way to a full restore.

cocktailpeanuts 9y ago
Come on man, you don't have to go that far. just read rest of the thread and you'll see tons of people complaining about the same thing. As I mentioned I have multiple devices and I observe these problems everywhere. And I have heard the same from friends too. And all these people on this thread are complaining about it. Now where is your source on how my problem is just some extreme case and my own fault?
- jmull 9y ago
  Well, I have iOS 11 on multiple devices and have friends with iOS 11 and I’m seeing (and hearing about) launch lag and the calculator button problem but not your other issues. So this isn’t simply an iOS 11 problem you can do nothing about besides complain on the internet. I mean, if that’s what you prefer to do, be my guest. I don’t mind at all. I’m just pointing out you might be able to do something about some of the problems. Also, I didn’t say it was your fault. I get that you’re frustrated, but it doesn’t help to get angry, especially with people who are trying to help you.
- ballenf 9y ago
  The 50% crash rate on your apps is what made me feel like your experience is the exception not the rule. On my iPhone 6 I see maybe a crash rate of 2-5% (one in 20-50). There are apps with higher crash rates from time to time that usually get fixed with updates. I don't try to run the latest demanding 3d games and such on the phone, since I don't expect them to be usable on a 3-year-old device. Maybe you're pushing your devices harder than I do or something but I second the parent's sentiment that your experience is out of the ordinary. But that doesn't mean it's your fault at all, just unusual. All that being said, I'm overall less happy with iOS 11 than 10 on my phone. But love it on the iPad.

rocking_duck 9y ago

Having exactly the same issues on my iPhone 6S. Camera randomly takes forever to load, and sometimes doesn't load at all (black screen). Since iOS 11 it's a 50/50 chance that accepting an incoming call works. I press the green button but it keeps ringing until the other person hangs up. Even physical home button becomes unresponsive, many times a day I have to do a forced restart (home button + sleep wake button pressed). This is infuriating!!