5 ms·

I hate to be this guy but Steve Jobs would have fucking eviscerated the team that produced this. The first time he used the calculator and got 24 instead of 6,

by teej 9y ago

I hate to be this guy but Steve Jobs would have fucking eviscerated the team that produced this. The first time he used the calculator and got 24 instead of 6, he would’ve walked straight to whoever wrote the software and gotten it fixed. There’s no one at Apple who can do that anymore.

austenallred 9y ago
Agreed. No one sits at the top adamant about quality control and everything “just working.” I don’t really see that anywhere in hardware anymore. It’s a damn shame. I loved the Apple of old.
blowski 9y ago
And I get to be that guy in response. I don’t like the sanctification of Steve Jobs. He oversaw plenty of bugs - “antennagate” being the most famous, but there were plenty of others as well.
- frankzinger 9y ago
  Antennagate surfaced in 2010. Jobs had been ill with cancer for many years by then. In April 2009 he had a liver transplant. He resigned in early 2011. I think we should probably give him a break on Antennagate.
- gruturo 9y ago
  And Antennagate resulted in Jobs demanding the head of SVP Mark Papermaster - which actually proves your point: he took swift and decisive action (no, I'm not talking about the public-facing discussion trying to minimize the issue - obviously, internally, there was agreement that this was a very real issue, hence the free bumpers and the redesign in the following model, but most importantly the canning of the SVP who oversaw a fuckup this egregious - it's not like it was a subtle or super unlikely corner case).
dragonwriter 9y ago
> I hate to be this guy but Steve Jobs would have fucking eviscerated the team that produced this. I'm pretty sure the very similar numeric spinner issue on iOS has been around since Jobs was alive and running the show, so the idea that he would have reacted swiftly and decisively to an issue like this is not merely unverifiable speculation, but contrary to what (inconclusive, to be sure) evidence is available.
- dx034 9y ago
  The numeric spinner issue is much less severe. Calculators are often used in higher speed for a lot of calculations. That bug makes the calculator unusable for many people. The spinner is not used that often and waiting for an extra second there doesn't add up as much time.
  - gldalmaso 9y ago
    That's assuming you know about it and all you have to lose is time. Since it's an alarm, as another comment has exemplified, you may actually miss an important event in your life because you didn't know to wait for an animation to complete before saving your alarm. I would say that this is severe given the potential outcome. Similarly, the calculator bug is more of an annoyance for people who know about it, which is already bad, but the problem really manifests to those who do not know about it and may end up, say, wiring the wrong amount in a money transfer because their phone calculator didn't finish the animation in time to register actual key presses. This is UI making the outcome of user operations actually wrong, not just laggy.
Udik 9y ago
I happened to find an iPod nano (3d gen) lost by someone in a street, and always hated it. It looks so cute, but the wheel interface is scarcely usable, event the physical lock button is hard to reach without taking the damn thing out of your pocket, and what's this story about needing a special application to load songs into it? And it replaces the file names with GUIDs, even! If Microsoft did anything like that...

by teej 9y ago

austenallred 9y ago

Agreed. No one sits at the top adamant about quality control and everything “just working.” I don’t really see that anywhere in hardware anymore. It’s a damn shame. I loved the Apple of old.

blowski 9y ago

And I get to be that guy in response. I don’t like the sanctification of Steve Jobs. He oversaw plenty of bugs - “antennagate” being the most famous, but there were plenty of others as well.

frankzinger 9y ago
Antennagate surfaced in 2010. Jobs had been ill with cancer for many years by then. In April 2009 he had a liver transplant. He resigned in early 2011. I think we should probably give him a break on Antennagate.
gruturo 9y ago
And Antennagate resulted in Jobs demanding the head of SVP Mark Papermaster - which actually proves your point: he took swift and decisive action (no, I'm not talking about the public-facing discussion trying to minimize the issue - obviously, internally, there was agreement that this was a very real issue, hence the free bumpers and the redesign in the following model, but most importantly the canning of the SVP who oversaw a fuckup this egregious - it's not like it was a subtle or super unlikely corner case).

dragonwriter 9y ago

> I hate to be this guy but Steve Jobs would have fucking eviscerated the team that produced this. I'm pretty sure the very similar numeric spinner issue on iOS has been around since Jobs was alive and running the show, so the idea that he would have reacted swiftly and decisively to an issue like this is not merely unverifiable speculation, but contrary to what (inconclusive, to be sure) evidence is available.

dx034 9y ago
The numeric spinner issue is much less severe. Calculators are often used in higher speed for a lot of calculations. That bug makes the calculator unusable for many people. The spinner is not used that often and waiting for an extra second there doesn't add up as much time.
- gldalmaso 9y ago
  That's assuming you know about it and all you have to lose is time. Since it's an alarm, as another comment has exemplified, you may actually miss an important event in your life because you didn't know to wait for an animation to complete before saving your alarm. I would say that this is severe given the potential outcome. Similarly, the calculator bug is more of an annoyance for people who know about it, which is already bad, but the problem really manifests to those who do not know about it and may end up, say, wiring the wrong amount in a money transfer because their phone calculator didn't finish the animation in time to register actual key presses. This is UI making the outcome of user operations actually wrong, not just laggy.

Udik 9y ago

I happened to find an iPod nano (3d gen) lost by someone in a street, and always hated it. It looks so cute, but the wheel interface is scarcely usable, event the physical lock button is hard to reach without taking the damn thing out of your pocket, and what's this story about needing a special application to load songs into it? And it replaces the file names with GUIDs, even! If Microsoft did anything like that...