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Why would the US give a Top Secret clearance to an immigrant? edit - You can't immigrate to a country then expect to receive a Top Secret clearance regardless

Why would the US give a Top Secret clearance to an immigrant? edit - You can't immigrate to a country then expect to receive a Top Secret clearance regardless if it is the US or any other country. I don't suspect Russia will give me a clearance if I were to immigrate and find employment at a tech company. There would be a major national security incident waiting to happen.

Mz 9y ago
https://www.state.gov/m/ds/clearances/c10977.htm#2 https://www.state.gov/m/ds/clearances/c10977.htm#2 2. Do you have to be a U.S. citizen to receive a security clearance from the State Department? As outlined in Executive Order 12968, Access to Classified Information, eligibility for access to classified information may only be granted to employees who are United States citizens. However, an exception is allowed in specific situations wherein there are compelling reasons for limited access to be granted to an immigrant alien or foreign national employee who possess a special expertise that is needed for specific programs, projects, contracts, licenses, certificates, or grants.
- riot504 9y ago
  That is from the State Department. There are an array of different clearances. http://www.dss.mil/psmo-i/ps_faqs.html#5 http://www.dss.mil/psmo-i/ps_faqs.html#5 5. Are non-U.S. citizens eligible for a personnel security clearance? No. However, under rare circumstances, a non-U.S. citizen may be issued a Limited Access Authorization for access to classified information. Specific criteria and limitations are provided in the NISPOM. You may also contact your IS Rep for additional information.
  - Mz 9y ago
    I don't really know the details. I just know my ex husband was career military and he once kind of hand waved off the importance of some security clearance label in, probably, some TV show with the factoid that basically, if you are in the military at all, you have some level of security clearance. I don't know the nomenclature. I don't know if "Top Secret" is really super duper special or if that is, like, anyone above the rank of E-1. But I also know that, for example, one path to citizenship in the US is to serve in the military. So, if all members of the military have some degree of clearance and some are not citizens, then 1+1=2, I think. But I googled to find a reliable source rather than give that anecdotal evidence. FWIW.
    - riot504 9y ago
      I was in the military with a secret clearance (standard I believe) and you are correct it is very mundane, nothing exciting. There were a few times I had to cover documents when people would come in and couldn't talk about certain projects, but it was nothing exciting. I believe intelligence is worthy at the aggregated level, not at the individual level most of us experience.
      - Mz 9y ago
        There were a few times I had to cover documents when people would come in and couldn't talk about certain projects Sounds like my old insurance job. You have to comply with both HIPAA and Gramm-Leach-Bliley in insurance. Confidentiality is a big deal. Turning papers face down is standard practice.
    - metaphor 9y ago
      > ...one path to citizenship in the US is to serve in the military. True statement. > So, if all members of the military have some degree of clearance... False assumption. Jobs that fall under services, personnel, public affairs, medical, contracting, vehicle maintenance, and supply come to mind. This is far from an exhaustive list and will vary in scope between branches of service.
      - Mz 9y ago
        I have personally met foreign nationals who were infantrymen. It is possible my statement is overly broad. But if being in the infantry, like my ex was, grants some degree of clearance, then I have personally known foreign nationals in the US military who must have had a security clearance to do their job at all. I based my remarks on a remark my ex made. I spelled that out as clearly as I could. My conclusion is correct that my background knowledge suggests, yes, it is possible for immigrants to have some degree of security clearance. But, hey, I googled it just to be sure and posted that. And it is correct that it is possible for foreign nationals to have a clearance.
        9y ago
  - maxerickson 9y ago
    The first comment in the thread talks about dual nationals, presumably people who are naturalized US citizens. Do you mean to apply everything you are saying to naturalized citizens?
    - riot504 9y ago
      I misinterpreted the statement then. Naturalized citizens are different, I thought it was in reference to those who come here for a job, then require a security clearance. That would create conflict in my opinion.
ajdlinux 9y ago
As an Australian who lives in our national capital, I can assure you that our friendly local FVEY agency will happily employ Australian citizens at a Top Secret Positive Vetting level who are naturalised immigrants or dual citizens (a huge chunk of this country are dual British citizens, in particular). I get the impression that it makes your life a bit more difficult, but it's definitely achievable.
- angry_octet 9y ago
  PV is treated differently to lower levels.
bandrami 9y ago
I know literally hundreds of immigrants (meaning naturalized citizens) with TS/SCI clearance. Did you mean to say "non-citizen"?
notfromhere 9y ago
If you're a naturalized citizen, you can get a clearance. Just be prepared to have a lot of rocks turned over

Mz 9y ago

https://www.state.gov/m/ds/clearances/c10977.htm#2 https://www.state.gov/m/ds/clearances/c10977.htm#2 2. Do you have to be a U.S. citizen to receive a security clearance from the State Department? As outlined in Executive Order 12968, Access to Classified Information, eligibility for access to classified information may only be granted to employees who are United States citizens. However, an exception is allowed in specific situations wherein there are compelling reasons for limited access to be granted to an immigrant alien or foreign national employee who possess a special expertise that is needed for specific programs, projects, contracts, licenses, certificates, or grants.

riot504 9y ago
That is from the State Department. There are an array of different clearances. http://www.dss.mil/psmo-i/ps_faqs.html#5 http://www.dss.mil/psmo-i/ps_faqs.html#5 5. Are non-U.S. citizens eligible for a personnel security clearance? No. However, under rare circumstances, a non-U.S. citizen may be issued a Limited Access Authorization for access to classified information. Specific criteria and limitations are provided in the NISPOM. You may also contact your IS Rep for additional information.
- Mz 9y ago
  I don't really know the details. I just know my ex husband was career military and he once kind of hand waved off the importance of some security clearance label in, probably, some TV show with the factoid that basically, if you are in the military at all, you have some level of security clearance. I don't know the nomenclature. I don't know if "Top Secret" is really super duper special or if that is, like, anyone above the rank of E-1. But I also know that, for example, one path to citizenship in the US is to serve in the military. So, if all members of the military have some degree of clearance and some are not citizens, then 1+1=2, I think. But I googled to find a reliable source rather than give that anecdotal evidence. FWIW.
  - riot504 9y ago
    I was in the military with a secret clearance (standard I believe) and you are correct it is very mundane, nothing exciting. There were a few times I had to cover documents when people would come in and couldn't talk about certain projects, but it was nothing exciting. I believe intelligence is worthy at the aggregated level, not at the individual level most of us experience.
    - Mz 9y ago
      There were a few times I had to cover documents when people would come in and couldn't talk about certain projects Sounds like my old insurance job. You have to comply with both HIPAA and Gramm-Leach-Bliley in insurance. Confidentiality is a big deal. Turning papers face down is standard practice.
  - metaphor 9y ago
    > ...one path to citizenship in the US is to serve in the military. True statement. > So, if all members of the military have some degree of clearance... False assumption. Jobs that fall under services, personnel, public affairs, medical, contracting, vehicle maintenance, and supply come to mind. This is far from an exhaustive list and will vary in scope between branches of service.
    - Mz 9y ago
      I have personally met foreign nationals who were infantrymen. It is possible my statement is overly broad. But if being in the infantry, like my ex was, grants some degree of clearance, then I have personally known foreign nationals in the US military who must have had a security clearance to do their job at all. I based my remarks on a remark my ex made. I spelled that out as clearly as I could. My conclusion is correct that my background knowledge suggests, yes, it is possible for immigrants to have some degree of security clearance. But, hey, I googled it just to be sure and posted that. And it is correct that it is possible for foreign nationals to have a clearance.
      - 9y ago
- maxerickson 9y ago
  The first comment in the thread talks about dual nationals, presumably people who are naturalized US citizens. Do you mean to apply everything you are saying to naturalized citizens?
  - riot504 9y ago
    I misinterpreted the statement then. Naturalized citizens are different, I thought it was in reference to those who come here for a job, then require a security clearance. That would create conflict in my opinion.

ajdlinux 9y ago

As an Australian who lives in our national capital, I can assure you that our friendly local FVEY agency will happily employ Australian citizens at a Top Secret Positive Vetting level who are naturalised immigrants or dual citizens (a huge chunk of this country are dual British citizens, in particular). I get the impression that it makes your life a bit more difficult, but it's definitely achievable.

angry_octet 9y ago
PV is treated differently to lower levels.

bandrami 9y ago

I know literally hundreds of immigrants (meaning naturalized citizens) with TS/SCI clearance. Did you mean to say "non-citizen"?

notfromhere 9y ago

If you're a naturalized citizen, you can get a clearance. Just be prepared to have a lot of rocks turned over