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There's got to be a word for the attitude you are running here.. I can't think of it. Anyway, as an owner of wireless headphones and wired headphones I definit

There's got to be a word for the attitude you are running here.. I can't think of it. Anyway, as an owner of wireless headphones and wired headphones I definitely wouldn't choose a phone without an aux in. My wireless headphones have stayed uncharged for months - i'm not yet ready to be responsible for charging two devices every night.

zootboy 9y ago
Defeatism?
- misterbwong 9y ago
  Stockholm Syndrome. Defeatism implies that these people feel defeated and have given up. Instead, I get the feeling people are trying to spin this as "progress"
username223 9y ago
> There's got to be a word for the attitude you are running here.. I can't think of it. "Fatalism"? It's the same attitude that leads some people to roll over and agree that "privacy is dead -- get used to it." The replacement of the headphone jack by a port that is worse in every way, by wireless 'phones that are unreliable and need to be charged every few hours, or by an expensive dongle makes life worse for everyone except headphone and dongle salesmen. The rest of us should not simply roll over and take it.
- hanklazard 9y ago
  I agree. The issue is, as a longtime iPhone user, I'm being forced into a no-headphone-jack phone. I need to get a new phone in the next month or so, and my major options are: 1. iphone SE - seems great, but given its internals are 6S, it will be updated into slow performance sooner than my other options. 2. iphone SE 2 - rumored to come out in the next 4-6 months, but who's to say it will have a headphone jack? 3. iphone 7/8/X - dongle land 4. Switch to android - apart from standard friction of using a new OS (probably not a very big deal), I may need to re-buy a number of apps. And the one android phone I was counting on, the Pixel 2, now also doesn't have a headphone jack. Thanks google. I'm actually tempted to just buy an android phone by Blu or something; this overpriced hardware seemed almost worth it when it was at least not taking away features that I use everyday. Is that the best version of not rolling over and taking it? Ugh. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate them.
  - zanedb 9y ago
    Well, be careful buying a Blu phone if you value your privacy.. https://www.cnet.com/news/these-cheap-phones-are-costing-you-your-privacy/ https://www.cnet.com/news/these-cheap-phones-are-costing-you... https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/31/16072786/amazon-blu-suspended-android-spyware-user-data-theft https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/31/16072786/amazon-blu-suspe...
    - hanklazard 9y ago
      Yikes, thanks for the heads-up. A friend of mine who also values privacy was telling me how much he likes his Blu phone ... that's really a shame.
  - brian-armstrong 9y ago
    The iPhone 6S might be the last one worth buying
  - username223 9y ago
    I'd buy a few iPhone SEs as spares. In a similar vein, I currently use an iPod Shuffle on runs and hikes, because it's cheap, light, and durable. They retailed for $50 from Apple, and now that they're discontinued, they seem to be selling for $80+ on Amazon. I wish I had invested in a stockpile, so I could sell most at a profit, and keep a few for personal use.
  - et-al 9y ago
    Buy a refurbished 6s or SE. I don't know how you use your phone, but I don't forsee my 6s becoming unusable in the next year or two for my use cases (WhatsApp, maps, taking photos, checking email). Granted iOS 11 (and High Sierra) have been notoriously buggy. :\
  - bontaq 9y ago
    It'll probably be outdated sooner, but I love the SE. I actually just got a new one to replace the one I lost and it was, compared to the new ones, cheap. It just has the right form factor and as of yet I haven't noticed any slowness.
- caf 9y ago
  If want wireless headphones that are reliable and don't need to be charged every few hours, take a look at the Bose SoundLink OEs.
- miguelrochefort 9y ago
  > It's the same attitude that leads some people to roll over and agree that "privacy is dead -- get used to it." Spot on. I've been very vocal about my opposition to privacy. Read my comments history by any chance?
  - Geee 9y ago
    You are absolutely wrong about privacy. Privacy is fundamentally important for functional human society.
Geee 9y ago
No. There has to be a word for people like you... Conservatism? The parent means that you must deal with advancing technology rather than clinging to the past.
- khedoros1 9y ago
  False premise: "advancing technology". There's nothing "advanced" about making a device less useful. The deficiency outweighs the benefit.
  - Geee 9y ago
    Removing obsolete features is advancing. Like removal of floppy drives, phone keypads etc.
    - khedoros1 9y ago
      Agreed. Removing obsolete features is advancing. There was a time to remove floppy drives and such. And it would be time to remove the headphone jack if there were a replacement that was at least as good. Wireless headphones suck. They're expensive, inconvenient, and don't work with most of the things I want to use headphones with.
miguelrochefort 9y ago
> i'm not yet ready to be responsible for charging two devices every night. If not now, when?

zootboy 9y ago

Defeatism?

misterbwong 9y ago
Stockholm Syndrome. Defeatism implies that these people feel defeated and have given up. Instead, I get the feeling people are trying to spin this as "progress"

username223 9y ago

> There's got to be a word for the attitude you are running here.. I can't think of it. "Fatalism"? It's the same attitude that leads some people to roll over and agree that "privacy is dead -- get used to it." The replacement of the headphone jack by a port that is worse in every way, by wireless 'phones that are unreliable and need to be charged every few hours, or by an expensive dongle makes life worse for everyone except headphone and dongle salesmen. The rest of us should not simply roll over and take it.

hanklazard 9y ago
I agree. The issue is, as a longtime iPhone user, I'm being forced into a no-headphone-jack phone. I need to get a new phone in the next month or so, and my major options are: 1. iphone SE - seems great, but given its internals are 6S, it will be updated into slow performance sooner than my other options. 2. iphone SE 2 - rumored to come out in the next 4-6 months, but who's to say it will have a headphone jack? 3. iphone 7/8/X - dongle land 4. Switch to android - apart from standard friction of using a new OS (probably not a very big deal), I may need to re-buy a number of apps. And the one android phone I was counting on, the Pixel 2, now also doesn't have a headphone jack. Thanks google. I'm actually tempted to just buy an android phone by Blu or something; this overpriced hardware seemed almost worth it when it was at least not taking away features that I use everyday. Is that the best version of not rolling over and taking it? Ugh. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate them.
- zanedb 9y ago
  Well, be careful buying a Blu phone if you value your privacy.. https://www.cnet.com/news/these-cheap-phones-are-costing-you-your-privacy/ https://www.cnet.com/news/these-cheap-phones-are-costing-you... https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/31/16072786/amazon-blu-suspended-android-spyware-user-data-theft https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/31/16072786/amazon-blu-suspe...
  - hanklazard 9y ago
    Yikes, thanks for the heads-up. A friend of mine who also values privacy was telling me how much he likes his Blu phone ... that's really a shame.
- brian-armstrong 9y ago
  The iPhone 6S might be the last one worth buying
- username223 9y ago
  I'd buy a few iPhone SEs as spares. In a similar vein, I currently use an iPod Shuffle on runs and hikes, because it's cheap, light, and durable. They retailed for $50 from Apple, and now that they're discontinued, they seem to be selling for $80+ on Amazon. I wish I had invested in a stockpile, so I could sell most at a profit, and keep a few for personal use.
- et-al 9y ago
  Buy a refurbished 6s or SE. I don't know how you use your phone, but I don't forsee my 6s becoming unusable in the next year or two for my use cases (WhatsApp, maps, taking photos, checking email). Granted iOS 11 (and High Sierra) have been notoriously buggy. :\
- bontaq 9y ago
  It'll probably be outdated sooner, but I love the SE. I actually just got a new one to replace the one I lost and it was, compared to the new ones, cheap. It just has the right form factor and as of yet I haven't noticed any slowness.
caf 9y ago
If want wireless headphones that are reliable and don't need to be charged every few hours, take a look at the Bose SoundLink OEs.
miguelrochefort 9y ago
> It's the same attitude that leads some people to roll over and agree that "privacy is dead -- get used to it." Spot on. I've been very vocal about my opposition to privacy. Read my comments history by any chance?
- Geee 9y ago
  You are absolutely wrong about privacy. Privacy is fundamentally important for functional human society.

Geee 9y ago

No. There has to be a word for people like you... Conservatism? The parent means that you must deal with advancing technology rather than clinging to the past.

khedoros1 9y ago
False premise: "advancing technology". There's nothing "advanced" about making a device less useful. The deficiency outweighs the benefit.
- Geee 9y ago
  Removing obsolete features is advancing. Like removal of floppy drives, phone keypads etc.
  - khedoros1 9y ago
    Agreed. Removing obsolete features is advancing. There was a time to remove floppy drives and such. And it would be time to remove the headphone jack if there were a replacement that was at least as good. Wireless headphones suck. They're expensive, inconvenient, and don't work with most of the things I want to use headphones with.

miguelrochefort 9y ago

> i'm not yet ready to be responsible for charging two devices every night. If not now, when?