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agree with so much here. just curios about the “packaging industry owns recycling industry in aus” statement. Where can i find out more about this?

andrewstuart 9y ago
https://www.visy.com.au/ https://www.visy.com.au/ It is both the biggest packaging and recycling company in Australia. And has the magnificently ironic slogan of "For a better world." If they didn't have the recycling side of the business, you might say "For a garbage world". But it's impossible to hold them to account isn't it because they are "recycling". And now we need to ask "Is recycling real, or is it just garbage being shipped to some other country?"
- libertyEQ 9y ago
  According to their wikipedia entry: Pratt has organised the build of a $50 million, 100% recycled plastics plant in Sydney. This plant will enable Visy to make its PET and HDPE bottles out of 100% recycled plastic resin for everything from soft drink bottles to shampoo bottles to milk bottles. At full capacity, this facility will remove some 2 billion plastic bottles from the waste stream and recycle them into new bottles. The company certainly seems to have had some other controversies, but it's not clear if what you claim is actually true. I would say you are going to have to put in some more work in order to substantiate your claims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visy_Industries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visy_Industries
  - glenneroo 9y ago
    I'm not sure that Wikipedia entry can be taken very seriously, there have been two big warnings at the top since 2015/2016: > A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. (March 2016) > This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a neutral point of view. (October 2015)
    - libertyEQ 9y ago
      I am not the one making the extraordinary claim that the packaging industry is promoting recycling in order to relax environmentalists interest in solving the pollution problems of the entire planet. I made a cursory attempt to see if there was merit to the claim, but without devoting serious time I could not do it. I gave the OP what I would call the start of a research trajectory I would use to prove the claims. Usually, the burden of proof is on the claimant/ accuser. Your "analysis" that there are warnings on the entry could be improved by chasing down the supporting citations, looking at the talk page, and the edit history. This is simply more effort than I'm willing to go to in order to justify the claims made by the OP.

andrewstuart 9y ago

https://www.visy.com.au/ https://www.visy.com.au/ It is both the biggest packaging and recycling company in Australia. And has the magnificently ironic slogan of "For a better world." If they didn't have the recycling side of the business, you might say "For a garbage world". But it's impossible to hold them to account isn't it because they are "recycling". And now we need to ask "Is recycling real, or is it just garbage being shipped to some other country?"

libertyEQ 9y ago
According to their wikipedia entry: Pratt has organised the build of a $50 million, 100% recycled plastics plant in Sydney. This plant will enable Visy to make its PET and HDPE bottles out of 100% recycled plastic resin for everything from soft drink bottles to shampoo bottles to milk bottles. At full capacity, this facility will remove some 2 billion plastic bottles from the waste stream and recycle them into new bottles. The company certainly seems to have had some other controversies, but it's not clear if what you claim is actually true. I would say you are going to have to put in some more work in order to substantiate your claims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visy_Industries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visy_Industries
- glenneroo 9y ago
  I'm not sure that Wikipedia entry can be taken very seriously, there have been two big warnings at the top since 2015/2016: > A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. (March 2016) > This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a neutral point of view. (October 2015)
  - libertyEQ 9y ago
    I am not the one making the extraordinary claim that the packaging industry is promoting recycling in order to relax environmentalists interest in solving the pollution problems of the entire planet. I made a cursory attempt to see if there was merit to the claim, but without devoting serious time I could not do it. I gave the OP what I would call the start of a research trajectory I would use to prove the claims. Usually, the burden of proof is on the claimant/ accuser. Your "analysis" that there are warnings on the entry could be improved by chasing down the supporting citations, looking at the talk page, and the edit history. This is simply more effort than I'm willing to go to in order to justify the claims made by the OP.