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Lombardy voted to have more control regarding immigration and safety, Veneto to change their taxes and have more control in the "residuo fiscale" (what's left o

Lombardy voted to have more control regarding immigration and safety, Veneto to change their taxes and have more control in the "residuo fiscale" (what's left of taxes after all the administration costs has been covered). Neither is allowed by the concept of regional autonomy in Italy. Unfortunately, just like any other "independence" request these days, it's just a move to avoid helping poorer states and drawing a thick libe between "us and them". They have been talking about it for years, they just jumped on the latest speedwagon.

matthewmacleod 9y ago
Unfortunately, just like any other "independence" request these days, it's just a move to avoid helping poorer states While it’s possible that there’s some of that attitude in Catalonia, I’d point out that the other large, recent European independence movement in Scotland was emphatically not that. Brexit, comparable on some levels, is also different. In reality, the reasons for independence/sescession movements gaining strength is complex and varies from place to place. That description seems a little reductive.
- bl4ckm0r3 9y ago
  Scotland wanted to leave for economic independence (The national identity, which i respect, is always a political excuse). Brexit "let's get back european money and put them into nhs"?How is that going not the same?Oh the rest was about the immigrants. Catalonia is literally the same, with just more political madness to it. The reason behind all of this is that we are living in a harsh economic era, politics failed in providing a guidance and unity (since a while) and people don't feel empathy towards other side of their countries and blame them for their country defects, as if you could just point the finger to a specific region or group of people to blame them for the economic tragedies and corruption of modern politics.
- mentallimits 9y ago
  holding on to more of north sea oil revenues has been one of the major motivations for scottish independence.
joeminichino 9y ago
Honestly - how long more can Lombardy help the South. The freaking dogs on the street know about the Cassa Del Mezzogiorno. My father emigrated from Naples in the 60s and found a job in Lombardy, where he met my (Lombard) mother. I emigrated from Lombardy to Ireland. Not advocating emigration at all costs, but certainly governments of the last 50 years have advocated centralization and unfair redistribution of wealth to the detriment and frustration of the North. The South of Italy has so much potential (between UNESCO/POIs sites and wonderful landscape, tourism alone would get everybody employed year round), how it remained poor all these years is a mystery that goes beyond reductive punts on organized crime.
- bl4ckm0r3 9y ago
  organised crime is everywhere in italy, there is a long going conversation to understand the "south situation" in italy, it has historical roots, lack of investments and political corruption on a national level that put investments into the hands of the local mafias.
  - joeminichino 9y ago
    Falcone (a man who knew a thing or 50 about organized crime) said that once you have taken money out of the hands of organized crime they are dead. Freeze accounts, suspend influx, cut the pipe. Without subventions to the south, the Mafia has nowhere to pick that money up.
    - noisymemories 9y ago
      And this is the reason why the referendum will go basically nowhere, by the way.
      - joeminichino 9y ago
        can you elaborate?
        9y ago

matthewmacleod 9y ago

Unfortunately, just like any other "independence" request these days, it's just a move to avoid helping poorer states While it’s possible that there’s some of that attitude in Catalonia, I’d point out that the other large, recent European independence movement in Scotland was emphatically not that. Brexit, comparable on some levels, is also different. In reality, the reasons for independence/sescession movements gaining strength is complex and varies from place to place. That description seems a little reductive.

bl4ckm0r3 9y ago
Scotland wanted to leave for economic independence (The national identity, which i respect, is always a political excuse). Brexit "let's get back european money and put them into nhs"?How is that going not the same?Oh the rest was about the immigrants. Catalonia is literally the same, with just more political madness to it. The reason behind all of this is that we are living in a harsh economic era, politics failed in providing a guidance and unity (since a while) and people don't feel empathy towards other side of their countries and blame them for their country defects, as if you could just point the finger to a specific region or group of people to blame them for the economic tragedies and corruption of modern politics.
mentallimits 9y ago
holding on to more of north sea oil revenues has been one of the major motivations for scottish independence.

joeminichino 9y ago

Honestly - how long more can Lombardy help the South. The freaking dogs on the street know about the Cassa Del Mezzogiorno. My father emigrated from Naples in the 60s and found a job in Lombardy, where he met my (Lombard) mother. I emigrated from Lombardy to Ireland. Not advocating emigration at all costs, but certainly governments of the last 50 years have advocated centralization and unfair redistribution of wealth to the detriment and frustration of the North. The South of Italy has so much potential (between UNESCO/POIs sites and wonderful landscape, tourism alone would get everybody employed year round), how it remained poor all these years is a mystery that goes beyond reductive punts on organized crime.

bl4ckm0r3 9y ago
organised crime is everywhere in italy, there is a long going conversation to understand the "south situation" in italy, it has historical roots, lack of investments and political corruption on a national level that put investments into the hands of the local mafias.
- joeminichino 9y ago
  Falcone (a man who knew a thing or 50 about organized crime) said that once you have taken money out of the hands of organized crime they are dead. Freeze accounts, suspend influx, cut the pipe. Without subventions to the south, the Mafia has nowhere to pick that money up.
  - noisymemories 9y ago
    And this is the reason why the referendum will go basically nowhere, by the way.
    - joeminichino 9y ago
      can you elaborate?
      - 9y ago