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Why the fxxk you drew conclusion like this? It has nothing to do with Chinese domestic wastes. It is about wastes used to ship to China. There are many other co

Why the fxxk you drew conclusion like this? It has nothing to do with Chinese domestic wastes. It is about wastes used to ship to China. There are many other countries has been the dump field for west for so many years. India for example. Yes, Africa. If China has been processing imported wastes for a very long time, they should be able to process domestic wastes for some time. I am Chinese, and I get very annoyed that for any title with 'China' in it, you just draw negative conclusion from it which has nothing to do with the article.

King-Aaron 9y ago
I think you're overreacting to a point that the other guy wasn't making.
ShabbosGoy 9y ago
> I am Chinese, and I get very annoyed that for any title with 'China' in it, you just draw negative conclusion from it which has nothing to do with the article. In general, I've found that Western media outlets are gratuitously negative to certain countries - especially if they were under colonial control at some point. Colonialism never really died, they just rebranded it as "globalism".
ggm 9y ago
I'm not sure I understand why you think this is anti Chinese? All China is doing is recapitulating colonialism. I expect there are good social and economic reasons to stop polluting Chinese provinces with imported wastes, but Chinese businesses will want to retain profit and trade. Therefore relocating recycling businesses overseas makes sense. China has now deep roots in Africa primarily aimed at extraction of raw materials but also for sale of goods and services (Huawei for instance supply African mobile operators with turnkey solutions) so inviting African economies with low barriers to pollution and lax labour laws to bid for contracts to reprocess waste is surely normal? Isn't that why the UK and Europe export the waste to China? Britain used to make ships. Then ship making moved to Portugal and then Poland, and then Korea. Trade moves to low labour cost economies. As China tightens pollution and labour law the cost of processing waste will rise until it's more economic to do it somewhere else. I just expect Chinese business to defiantly retain a role in that. The votes in the UN yes, that was perhaps unfortunately said. I apologize. If I said China was merely redressing systemically acquired imbalances by investing in Africa and the Pacific islands,and the quid pro quo was mutuality, would that be better? I love China. I visit it frequently, lots of Chinese companies invest in Australia, our economic future is closely tied. I am tired of dissembling in this space. What China is doing is not immoral: it's amoral, no different to what the west did, does.
- robert42 9y ago
  The article is not about China exporting waste to Africa. It is about how the Western world might get refused to export their waste to China. Meaning how China is leaving its position of subordinate. Yet, each time there is an article about China, people here feels the need to point out what China is doing wrong and how China is going to dominate. Also there is a lot articles from the nytimes published here who feels more like warning people that China is going to dominate "us". This is a long-time classic pattern actually : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril I am french and white here. When I was young I read, as plenty of my friends, these kind of book : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Lotus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Lotus or Lucky Luke with its really cliche depictions of Chinese. It was normal but for sure it shows some racist patterns towards chinese people and people perceived as chinese here in France. Actually the consequences are obvious : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/28/police-and-protesters-clash-in-paris-over-death-of-chinese-man https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/28/police-and-pro... I think it doesn't free China of criticism and what is happening in Africa is wrong. But coming from westerners like me.. I mean a french criticizing China taking over Africa feels more like a dog fighting other dogs to keep his bone. After you are free to act like if US or other imperialist power/western countries are so different but I am very skeptical when I see reactions here. People from our imperialist countries act like if they wanted to keep Africa for their own economic development, otherwise they would massively protest against our militaries and our companies ruling over Africa.
  - hugecynic 9y ago
    let me guess, you have a chinese girlfriend/wife? funny how you start to notice that the entire west is vehemently and overwhelmingly anti-chinese when your children will be considered chinese, isn't it? have you ever seen a single movie or tv show, ever, in your life, where a chinese (or any kind of asian) person was portrayed positively?

King-Aaron 9y ago

I think you're overreacting to a point that the other guy wasn't making.

ShabbosGoy 9y ago

> I am Chinese, and I get very annoyed that for any title with 'China' in it, you just draw negative conclusion from it which has nothing to do with the article. In general, I've found that Western media outlets are gratuitously negative to certain countries - especially if they were under colonial control at some point. Colonialism never really died, they just rebranded it as "globalism".

ggm 9y ago

I'm not sure I understand why you think this is anti Chinese? All China is doing is recapitulating colonialism. I expect there are good social and economic reasons to stop polluting Chinese provinces with imported wastes, but Chinese businesses will want to retain profit and trade. Therefore relocating recycling businesses overseas makes sense. China has now deep roots in Africa primarily aimed at extraction of raw materials but also for sale of goods and services (Huawei for instance supply African mobile operators with turnkey solutions) so inviting African economies with low barriers to pollution and lax labour laws to bid for contracts to reprocess waste is surely normal? Isn't that why the UK and Europe export the waste to China? Britain used to make ships. Then ship making moved to Portugal and then Poland, and then Korea. Trade moves to low labour cost economies. As China tightens pollution and labour law the cost of processing waste will rise until it's more economic to do it somewhere else. I just expect Chinese business to defiantly retain a role in that. The votes in the UN yes, that was perhaps unfortunately said. I apologize. If I said China was merely redressing systemically acquired imbalances by investing in Africa and the Pacific islands,and the quid pro quo was mutuality, would that be better? I love China. I visit it frequently, lots of Chinese companies invest in Australia, our economic future is closely tied. I am tired of dissembling in this space. What China is doing is not immoral: it's amoral, no different to what the west did, does.

robert42 9y ago
The article is not about China exporting waste to Africa. It is about how the Western world might get refused to export their waste to China. Meaning how China is leaving its position of subordinate. Yet, each time there is an article about China, people here feels the need to point out what China is doing wrong and how China is going to dominate. Also there is a lot articles from the nytimes published here who feels more like warning people that China is going to dominate "us". This is a long-time classic pattern actually : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril I am french and white here. When I was young I read, as plenty of my friends, these kind of book : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Lotus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Lotus or Lucky Luke with its really cliche depictions of Chinese. It was normal but for sure it shows some racist patterns towards chinese people and people perceived as chinese here in France. Actually the consequences are obvious : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/28/police-and-protesters-clash-in-paris-over-death-of-chinese-man https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/28/police-and-pro... I think it doesn't free China of criticism and what is happening in Africa is wrong. But coming from westerners like me.. I mean a french criticizing China taking over Africa feels more like a dog fighting other dogs to keep his bone. After you are free to act like if US or other imperialist power/western countries are so different but I am very skeptical when I see reactions here. People from our imperialist countries act like if they wanted to keep Africa for their own economic development, otherwise they would massively protest against our militaries and our companies ruling over Africa.
- hugecynic 9y ago
  let me guess, you have a chinese girlfriend/wife? funny how you start to notice that the entire west is vehemently and overwhelmingly anti-chinese when your children will be considered chinese, isn't it? have you ever seen a single movie or tv show, ever, in your life, where a chinese (or any kind of asian) person was portrayed positively?