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A couple counterpoints, there's something like 11 million hybrids on the road today. I'm also somebody who would like to buy an all electric car for various rea

by bane 9y ago

A couple counterpoints, there's something like 11 million hybrids on the road today. I'm also somebody who would like to buy an all electric car for various reasons, but the cars just aren't there yet.

iainmerrick 9y ago
Right, I see Prius and other hybrids everywhere. If people don’t seem to be asking for hybrids that may just be because they’re totally mainstream now.
greglindahl 9y ago
Sorry, I really meant to refer to plug-in hybrids, not mild hybrids: https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/ https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/ I totally understand that there are people who would buy a pure EV if it was cheaper, and that's not here yet.
- bane 9y ago
  I don't even think they have to be cheaper than current cars, they just need to get cheaper than they are, get much better range and much faster and more convenient recharge than today's electrics get. The top of the line Model S gets around 315 miles to a charge (X's get a bit less), it was a world changer because it was an electric car that got about what a normal ICE car gets in range so there was little penalty there. Not many people need to directly drive from NYC to Toronto in a single stretch all that often. bonus: the cars are stupid fast and have incredible amounts of storage so they're better than other cars on the market negative: they're very expensive and recharge still takes lots of time or less time but with expensive home infrastructure (but still not gas refill time) What makes them exciting is that for a couple of downsides (price and recharge time) you get a car that's at least as good than old fashioned ICE cars and better than them in most other areas. They represent the least compromised vision of electrics you can buy today. The smaller electrics aren't getting near that yet...it will take a few years of battery improvements before that happens. I think lots of people want a Model 3 aspirationally hoping that it has some of the positive qualities of an S, but the reality is that they're much more compromised vehicles. Tesla's approach to dealing with this is to try to make the cars as incomparable to ICE's as possible with loads of electronic features like autoparking and autopilot and whatever and an interior that's not like anything else on the planet -- but they're the only electric car maker who really gets that. By making the Model 3 hard to compare to anything else, it makes it stand out.
- SubiculumCode 9y ago
  The used market for EVs show rock bottom prices. Made them tempting, but I live in an apartment complex.

by bane 9y ago

iainmerrick 9y ago

Right, I see Prius and other hybrids everywhere. If people don’t seem to be asking for hybrids that may just be because they’re totally mainstream now.

greglindahl 9y ago

Sorry, I really meant to refer to plug-in hybrids, not mild hybrids: https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/ https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/ I totally understand that there are people who would buy a pure EV if it was cheaper, and that's not here yet.

bane 9y ago
I don't even think they have to be cheaper than current cars, they just need to get cheaper than they are, get much better range and much faster and more convenient recharge than today's electrics get. The top of the line Model S gets around 315 miles to a charge (X's get a bit less), it was a world changer because it was an electric car that got about what a normal ICE car gets in range so there was little penalty there. Not many people need to directly drive from NYC to Toronto in a single stretch all that often. bonus: the cars are stupid fast and have incredible amounts of storage so they're better than other cars on the market negative: they're very expensive and recharge still takes lots of time or less time but with expensive home infrastructure (but still not gas refill time) What makes them exciting is that for a couple of downsides (price and recharge time) you get a car that's at least as good than old fashioned ICE cars and better than them in most other areas. They represent the least compromised vision of electrics you can buy today. The smaller electrics aren't getting near that yet...it will take a few years of battery improvements before that happens. I think lots of people want a Model 3 aspirationally hoping that it has some of the positive qualities of an S, but the reality is that they're much more compromised vehicles. Tesla's approach to dealing with this is to try to make the cars as incomparable to ICE's as possible with loads of electronic features like autoparking and autopilot and whatever and an interior that's not like anything else on the planet -- but they're the only electric car maker who really gets that. By making the Model 3 hard to compare to anything else, it makes it stand out.
SubiculumCode 9y ago
The used market for EVs show rock bottom prices. Made them tempting, but I live in an apartment complex.