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> They miss the point of not owning a car No, they're assuming you still own your car - it's just that your car would be autonomous. Only the last section ("Mo

> They miss the point of not owning a car No, they're assuming you still own your car - it's just that your car would be autonomous. Only the last section ("More flexible ownership") acknowledges the possibility that you might not own the autonomous car. Self-driving cars and subscription-ownership cars are two circles on a Venn diagram that don't have to exactly overlap. I'm a great example - I want a self-driving car of my own, but I don't want to share it with anybody else. (I've played the Zipcar game in Chicago and I'm over that.)

majewsky 9y ago
> I want a self-driving car of my own, but I don't want to share it with anybody else. That's assuming that you will even be able to buy a self-driving car as an individual. (Or at all.) I find it highly plausible that car companies will expand to fill the entire vertical of car design, manufacturing and as-a-service operation. The service-oriented model was not really viable until now because the model of individuals buying cars was pretty much the only accepted option. But car companies have already started the vertical integration (many of them all have their own carsharing subsidiaries).
gumby 9y ago
> Self-driving cars and subscription-ownership cars are two circles on a Venn diagram that don't have to exactly overlap. I'm a great example - I want a self-driving car of my own, but I don't want to share it with anybody else. (I've played the Zipcar game in Chicago and I'm over that.) That's transitional and based on the hysteresis of looking at the current system. I remember when PCs started to be introduced; they replaced dedicated word processing systems (and, via Visicalc, some central data processing) but it was pretty well accepted that they would never make it into the corner offices because "executives don't type". In 1982 I worked at a lab where the director had his secretary retype his email onto paper; he would read it, mark it, and give it back for filing, and would dictate responses (she was overjoyed when I showed her how to print the mail out). I have a longer reply to a different reply to my message which emphasizes the primacy of the economic drivers (and mentions some corner cases where it might be worth buying one)

majewsky 9y ago

> I want a self-driving car of my own, but I don't want to share it with anybody else. That's assuming that you will even be able to buy a self-driving car as an individual. (Or at all.) I find it highly plausible that car companies will expand to fill the entire vertical of car design, manufacturing and as-a-service operation. The service-oriented model was not really viable until now because the model of individuals buying cars was pretty much the only accepted option. But car companies have already started the vertical integration (many of them all have their own carsharing subsidiaries).

gumby 9y ago

> Self-driving cars and subscription-ownership cars are two circles on a Venn diagram that don't have to exactly overlap. I'm a great example - I want a self-driving car of my own, but I don't want to share it with anybody else. (I've played the Zipcar game in Chicago and I'm over that.) That's transitional and based on the hysteresis of looking at the current system. I remember when PCs started to be introduced; they replaced dedicated word processing systems (and, via Visicalc, some central data processing) but it was pretty well accepted that they would never make it into the corner offices because "executives don't type". In 1982 I worked at a lab where the director had his secretary retype his email onto paper; he would read it, mark it, and give it back for filing, and would dictate responses (she was overjoyed when I showed her how to print the mail out). I have a longer reply to a different reply to my message which emphasizes the primacy of the economic drivers (and mentions some corner cases where it might be worth buying one)