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Your last paragraph perfectly describes why as a French speaking American engineer I refuse to work in France even though I would love to live there. My salary
by RhodesianHunter 9y ago
Your last paragraph perfectly describes why as a French speaking American engineer I refuse to work in France even though I would love to live there. My salary in a flyover state in the US is 5X the best I could find in France.
- sokoloff 9y agoPart of the problem is trying to employ people in France or, more specifically, worrying about the day when you need to stop employing someone in France. After going through it once, I'll never voluntarily do it again.
- alasdair_ 9y agoGermany is also an issue. At a previous job, we completely moved all development work from Munich to Dublin because the added headaches caused by hiring/firing in Germany were enormous.
- sokoloff 9y agoOur story is similar, though we've chosen other employer-reasonable locations. Netherlands was moderately bad (better than France, though); Switzerland is reasonable.
- ralphc 9y agoDo France and Germany have the concept of the "contractor" worker, where the company can just call the contracting firm and say we don't need the developer anymore?
- renaudg 9y agoYes.
- renaudg 9y agoThis is changing with Macron's sweeping labor law reform.
- renaudg 9y agoI agree that developers in France are rather underpaid, but you're comparing apples to oranges. A lower French salary comes with a number of valuable benefits which makes the take-home pay difference much smaller than what you're saying : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13412599 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13412599
- RhodesianHunter 9y agoNone of those points really apply though. U.S. engineers generally get excellent healthcare coverage already. As a non-French citizen the pension system is worthless to me.