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Oh really - It has been proven that it does not work for me personally exactly as i wrote? I didn’t see the researcher team coming through my door... I didn’t

Oh really - It has been proven that it does not work for me personally exactly as i wrote? I didn’t see the researcher team coming through my door... I didn’t say it works for everyone, but only report how it turns out for me. Interesting that some find a personal report enough reason to downvote... How do we know the research you point at is not sponsored by those with an interest in selling more expensive stuff?

skosch 9y ago
You are getting downvoted because pseudomedicine, including the idea that Vitamin C cures diseases, causes real harm. Low-information patients reject proven therapies in favour of quackery and make their ailments worse, ultimately leading to higher costs for all of society. "It may not work for everyone but it works for me" is a fallacy – if you run a 50/50 blind study on yourself for the next 30 colds you catch, controlling for factors like season, air quality, stress levels, sleep, and nutrition, and you still find that Vitamin C consistently cuts your colds in half, then we'll believe you. Otherwise, stop pushing misinformation.
- hennsen 9y ago
  Strong argumentation... with just a few logical errors... Unless you can prove what I wrote didn’t happen to me, i can as well insult you of pushing misinformation about what happened to me and what not. I talk about personal experience and clearly mark it as such. And then, i didnt know this is a forum of „low-information patients“ - but i start to believe it... Furthermore it has been said in the article that there is no verified cure for colds. Insofar even if someone would refuse to take other non-verified, more expensive medications because of my report, it wouldn’t do harm. It’s just changing one unverified cure against another. do i talk about cancer? No. It’s about colds. Believing only in studies will not help you at all - many studies have been proven to be false for many different reasons and later detected errors. Just happened for cancer studies of multiple decades! So with your randomly selected criteria there‘s still many things that can be wrong, and the same goes for all studies that prove Vitamin C helps and those that prove it doesn’t. You forgot age, for example... 30 colds is at least 3, at my current rate rather 10-15 years... a lot changes in a body. I can be weaker due age, or fitter due more sports etc... So i believe only in what works for me, and i report about it personally with clear marking that it’s just that, personal experience. And i didn‘t recommend anything to anyone else. Also, i said that success rate is just 2/3. THAT would have been a good point to attack my idea that Vitamin C helps - because it is actually a low rate. While we discuss this, a lot of money is spend for other cures of cold that equally has no proof of working. But this is accepted... you might be better off trying to stop big pharma for advertising anything as a cure for cold instead of insulting me for telling personal experiences.
  - newlyretired 9y ago
    What makes you think it was the Vitamin C that prevented the cold? It could as easily have been your belief in the Vitamin C cure that prevented the colds.
    - hennsen 9y ago
      It could. Who knows if there was actually Vitamin C contained in what i bought? But my experience still exists. I took that stuff that has been sold to me as Vit C and had a lot less to suffer. Didn’t spend a lot of money, and didn’t have a lot of risk involved. So what? I tried other remedies before - as well ones that were organical stuff recommended by someone ( ginger tea for example which some believe in is helping a lot - but not myself ) as well as commercial products. I believed or at least hoped they‘d help in each case. But only this did with some - and i say 66% is not great, just some - reproducability. With Herpes it‘s 100% were in my personal experience it removes a lot if suffering and bad feeling for days.
      - newlyretired 9y ago
        My point wasn't to deny your experience, only to comment that even for your specific experience it's impossible to be so confident as to state it was Vitamin C that prevented illnesses. I'm happy you found something that works for you, but the certainty you ascribe to causes is not justified by the evidence.
        hennsen 9y ago
        Thanks ;) yes sure, it can be many things - and a repeatability of 2 in 3 is not very much... just some. It can also be that as the original article mentions there are many causes for a bad cold, that my system worked only with a part of them. I just get a bit upset with (some other) people saying my personal experience isn't a properly conducted study - it sure isn't. At the same time, these studies fail every day, in the end they are all just statistics, which can be forged, lead to wrong assumptions, or just be flawed in a failure criterion not being thought of until now - like, oh, 30,000 cancer studies... http://www.sciencealert.com/more-than-30-000-scientific-studies-could-be-wrong-due-to-contaminated-undying-cells http://www.sciencealert.com/more-than-30-000-scientific-stud... But I'm not even talking about cancer - and I sure would defintely rather try fighting cancer with a "western medicine" approach that has some reasonable success rate and never recommend anyone diagnosed with such trying to treat that thing with a spoon of Vitamin C everyday...

skosch 9y ago

You are getting downvoted because pseudomedicine, including the idea that Vitamin C cures diseases, causes real harm. Low-information patients reject proven therapies in favour of quackery and make their ailments worse, ultimately leading to higher costs for all of society. "It may not work for everyone but it works for me" is a fallacy – if you run a 50/50 blind study on yourself for the next 30 colds you catch, controlling for factors like season, air quality, stress levels, sleep, and nutrition, and you still find that Vitamin C consistently cuts your colds in half, then we'll believe you. Otherwise, stop pushing misinformation.

hennsen 9y ago
Strong argumentation... with just a few logical errors... Unless you can prove what I wrote didn’t happen to me, i can as well insult you of pushing misinformation about what happened to me and what not. I talk about personal experience and clearly mark it as such. And then, i didnt know this is a forum of „low-information patients“ - but i start to believe it... Furthermore it has been said in the article that there is no verified cure for colds. Insofar even if someone would refuse to take other non-verified, more expensive medications because of my report, it wouldn’t do harm. It’s just changing one unverified cure against another. do i talk about cancer? No. It’s about colds. Believing only in studies will not help you at all - many studies have been proven to be false for many different reasons and later detected errors. Just happened for cancer studies of multiple decades! So with your randomly selected criteria there‘s still many things that can be wrong, and the same goes for all studies that prove Vitamin C helps and those that prove it doesn’t. You forgot age, for example... 30 colds is at least 3, at my current rate rather 10-15 years... a lot changes in a body. I can be weaker due age, or fitter due more sports etc... So i believe only in what works for me, and i report about it personally with clear marking that it’s just that, personal experience. And i didn‘t recommend anything to anyone else. Also, i said that success rate is just 2/3. THAT would have been a good point to attack my idea that Vitamin C helps - because it is actually a low rate. While we discuss this, a lot of money is spend for other cures of cold that equally has no proof of working. But this is accepted... you might be better off trying to stop big pharma for advertising anything as a cure for cold instead of insulting me for telling personal experiences.
- newlyretired 9y ago
  What makes you think it was the Vitamin C that prevented the cold? It could as easily have been your belief in the Vitamin C cure that prevented the colds.
  - hennsen 9y ago
    It could. Who knows if there was actually Vitamin C contained in what i bought? But my experience still exists. I took that stuff that has been sold to me as Vit C and had a lot less to suffer. Didn’t spend a lot of money, and didn’t have a lot of risk involved. So what? I tried other remedies before - as well ones that were organical stuff recommended by someone ( ginger tea for example which some believe in is helping a lot - but not myself ) as well as commercial products. I believed or at least hoped they‘d help in each case. But only this did with some - and i say 66% is not great, just some - reproducability. With Herpes it‘s 100% were in my personal experience it removes a lot if suffering and bad feeling for days.
    - newlyretired 9y ago
      My point wasn't to deny your experience, only to comment that even for your specific experience it's impossible to be so confident as to state it was Vitamin C that prevented illnesses. I'm happy you found something that works for you, but the certainty you ascribe to causes is not justified by the evidence.
      - hennsen 9y ago
        Thanks ;) yes sure, it can be many things - and a repeatability of 2 in 3 is not very much... just some. It can also be that as the original article mentions there are many causes for a bad cold, that my system worked only with a part of them. I just get a bit upset with (some other) people saying my personal experience isn't a properly conducted study - it sure isn't. At the same time, these studies fail every day, in the end they are all just statistics, which can be forged, lead to wrong assumptions, or just be flawed in a failure criterion not being thought of until now - like, oh, 30,000 cancer studies... http://www.sciencealert.com/more-than-30-000-scientific-studies-could-be-wrong-due-to-contaminated-undying-cells http://www.sciencealert.com/more-than-30-000-scientific-stud... But I'm not even talking about cancer - and I sure would defintely rather try fighting cancer with a "western medicine" approach that has some reasonable success rate and never recommend anyone diagnosed with such trying to treat that thing with a spoon of Vitamin C everyday...