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Spain is forcing its might on a peaceful majority on Catalonians through violence & other 'onesided-lawful' means. When a significant majority (apparently 90% w

Spain is forcing its might on a peaceful majority on Catalonians through violence & other 'onesided-lawful' means. When a significant majority (apparently 90% who polled) wants to separate, calling it a joke, is not really apt.

notspanishflu 9y ago
>Spain is forcing its might on a peaceful majority on Catalonians through violence... Except that statement is completely false.
- jayniz 9y ago
  Until this comment I thought you're serious!
  - notspanishflu 9y ago
    I've posted this already but it seems you didn't read it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/10/19/how-fake-news-helped-shape-the-catalonia-independence-vote/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/10/19... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/08/catalonia-demo-injuries-fact-checking https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/08/catalonia-demo... https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/10/02/inenglish/1506943013_999238.html https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/10/02/inenglish/1506943013_99...
    - ryanlol 9y ago
      These articles simply don't seem that relevant. Of course there's been a bunch of fake news on both sides. There was obviously a plenty of very real violence by GC, anyone watching the live streams saw this for themselves. And a few days ago el pais fired a bunch of folks for having the wrong opinions on Catalonia, so I'm not sure if they're the best source.
      - notspanishflu 9y ago
        Can you point out any source about fake news from anti-secessionists?
        ryanlol 9y ago
        https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/26/inenglish/1506413477_994601.html https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/26/inenglish/1506413477_99... https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/25/inenglish/1506323273_063367.html?rel=mas https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/25/inenglish/1506323273_06... https://politica.elpais.com/politica/2017/10/20/aixo_va_de_democracia_blog_contra_l1o/1508521681_336650.html?id_externo_rsoc=TW_CC https://politica.elpais.com/politica/2017/10/20/aixo_va_de_d... El Pais & Co. are heavily pushing this lie that there's somehow a very significant amount of "fake news" on the other side. I believe that they are purposefully overstating the significance of the "fake news" on the pro-independence side, and are simply trying to use the slightest indication of such to discredit the pro-independence side as a whole. Where their theory really falls apart the most is the fact that all the "fake news" they speak of are in English. It feels fundamentally strange that "fake news" on small English language blogs would significantly affect the political sentiments in Catalonia.
rflrob 9y ago
The 90% who show up to an election that was declared illegal by the national courts aren't likely to be representative of the population at large, though. I recall seeing numbers that the overall turnout was something like 40%, so how you would like to apportion support for independence among the non-voting 60% greatly affects how popular you think independence is.

notspanishflu 9y ago

>Spain is forcing its might on a peaceful majority on Catalonians through violence... Except that statement is completely false.

jayniz 9y ago
Until this comment I thought you're serious!
- notspanishflu 9y ago
  I've posted this already but it seems you didn't read it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/10/19/how-fake-news-helped-shape-the-catalonia-independence-vote/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/10/19... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/08/catalonia-demo-injuries-fact-checking https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/08/catalonia-demo... https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/10/02/inenglish/1506943013_999238.html https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/10/02/inenglish/1506943013_99...
  - ryanlol 9y ago
    These articles simply don't seem that relevant. Of course there's been a bunch of fake news on both sides. There was obviously a plenty of very real violence by GC, anyone watching the live streams saw this for themselves. And a few days ago el pais fired a bunch of folks for having the wrong opinions on Catalonia, so I'm not sure if they're the best source.
    - notspanishflu 9y ago
      Can you point out any source about fake news from anti-secessionists?
      - ryanlol 9y ago
        https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/26/inenglish/1506413477_994601.html https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/26/inenglish/1506413477_99... https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/25/inenglish/1506323273_063367.html?rel=mas https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/25/inenglish/1506323273_06... https://politica.elpais.com/politica/2017/10/20/aixo_va_de_democracia_blog_contra_l1o/1508521681_336650.html?id_externo_rsoc=TW_CC https://politica.elpais.com/politica/2017/10/20/aixo_va_de_d... El Pais & Co. are heavily pushing this lie that there's somehow a very significant amount of "fake news" on the other side. I believe that they are purposefully overstating the significance of the "fake news" on the pro-independence side, and are simply trying to use the slightest indication of such to discredit the pro-independence side as a whole. Where their theory really falls apart the most is the fact that all the "fake news" they speak of are in English. It feels fundamentally strange that "fake news" on small English language blogs would significantly affect the political sentiments in Catalonia.

rflrob 9y ago

The 90% who show up to an election that was declared illegal by the national courts aren't likely to be representative of the population at large, though. I recall seeing numbers that the overall turnout was something like 40%, so how you would like to apportion support for independence among the non-voting 60% greatly affects how popular you think independence is.