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Following your argument: lets make happy that 50% breaching the law, and lets punish the 50% honoring the law. That doesn't make any sense.
by notspanishflu 9y ago
Following your argument: lets make happy that 50% breaching the law, and lets punish the 50% honoring the law.
That doesn't make any sense.
- ryanlol 9y agoSupporting independence isn't breaking the law. Voting for independence isn't breaking the law.
- notspanishflu 9y agoBut it is. It is specifically forbidden in the Spanish Constitution. The sovereignty of Spain resides in all Spaniards.
- ryanlol 9y agoEven the Spanish government does not agree with you. Few individuals such as Puidgemont may very well have violated the law, but supporting them simply isn't against the law.
- notspanishflu 9y agoI mean voting for independence, not having an opinion, obviously.
- ryanlol 9y agoAs jayniz says, please find the part of the constitution that outlaws voting for independence. (As opposed to organizing such a vote.)
- notspanishflu 9y agoI replied to jayniz, maybe you didn't see it. It's in the article 1.2 of the Spanish Constitution: > La soberanía nacional reside en el pueblo español, del que emanan los poderes del Estado. (The national sovereignty resides in the Spanish people, from which emanate the powers of the State.)
- ryanlol 9y agoThat certainly doesn't seem to outlaw people casting votes for independence.
- justin66 9y agoIndeed. It seems somewhat akin to "Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- notspanishflu 9y agoBut doesn't mean that. In law there isn't something like 'oh it seems this legal precept means...' All legal precepts have carefully chosen words and a spirit in which they're based.
- justin66 9y agoNothing about (the English translation of) that sentence supports what you keep asserting. If a Spanish high court decided that's what it means in a decision, that's fine, but you should probably link people to the text of their decision instead of repeating the phrase over and over again as if it's magical.
- notspanishflu 9y agoIt means all the Spanish people have a say when talking about sovereignty, not only a part. That's why is illegal a election for secession with only a part of the Spanish census.
- ryanlol 9y agoIt still certainly doesn’t make it illegal to vote. This constitution merely tells you what’s a valid referendum and what isn’t. It’s not against the law to participate in an “invalid” one.
- foldr 9y ago
- jayniz 9y agoCan you give us that quote from the constitution (the whole paragraph would be swell)?
- notspanishflu 9y agoThe article 1.2 of the Spanish Constitution states: > La soberanía nacional reside en el pueblo español, del que emanan los poderes del Estado. (The national sovereignty resides in the Spanish people, from which emanate the powers of the State.)
- farresito 9y agoFirstly, being pro-Independence, as the other person mentioned, isn't breaking the law. Secondly, you didn't understand the point of my comment. My point was that if a good percentage of the population are so discontent with the situation that they are willing to go independent, then there's a problem, and to go as far as wanting to be independent from a country where you have lived all your life you need to be VERY discontent. Turning a blind eye and saying gibberish about the Constitution and blah blah blah helps very little with the problem. Aren't politicians in power to represent us and to try to solve these kind of issues? Maybe we can find a middle point that will satisfy both sides. I'm certainly very biased, like you are, but I think we need to make an effort to understand what every party wants.