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Good, we can't allow the dissolution of nations.

tqkxzugoaupvwqr 9y ago
Why not? Let them fork, iterate and improve. They have a strong identity and economy, so they must be doing something right. Maybe being tied to a monolith even hinders their progress? (Just ideas for thought.)
- navigator01 9y ago
  Everyone on Earth has a petty identity. If we allow secession just so every self-identifying group can 'rule' themselves then we encourage those petty identities when we should be discouraging them and instead encouraging universal humanism.
  - TomK32 9y ago
    Germany is a federated state, stark differences between the regions (the dialects vary a lot, but not as much as the Spanish and Catalan languages differ) but it does work because the government is not centralised like in Spain or France, and the Bundesländer have their say there's a lot of respect for each other. Spain's PP has always shown disrespect to any federalization and autonomy of the spanish regions.
    - iagovar 9y ago
      Except the government in Spain is not centralised at all. The comparison with France is just... IDK where are you getting this ideas but is mostly the opposite. PP is disrespectful about everything but that doesn't mean that there's no autonomy, there's a reason why every region has an "autonomous government" and are called "autonomous communities", basically because they have that autonomy. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_communities_of_Spain#Legal_powers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_communities_of_Spai...
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- mertd 9y ago
  Sometimes parts are weaker than the whole. The strong economy is possibly part due to investments made with the assumption that Catalonia would be part of Spain for the foreseeable future. Would London have been the de-facto financial hub of Europe, if people knew Brexit was coming?
  - icebraining 9y ago
    I'd bet you London will keep being the financial hub of Europe long after Brexit.
TomK32 9y ago
Yes, can we have Napoleon's unite Europe back? Or at least the Third Reich? Austria-Hungary was also a terrific idea as was the Ottoman Empire (why did the Greeks every want to rule themselves?)

Why not? Let them fork, iterate and improve. They have a strong identity and economy, so they must be doing something right. Maybe being tied to a monolith even hinders their progress? (Just ideas for thought.)

navigator01 9y ago
Everyone on Earth has a petty identity. If we allow secession just so every self-identifying group can 'rule' themselves then we encourage those petty identities when we should be discouraging them and instead encouraging universal humanism.
- TomK32 9y ago
  Germany is a federated state, stark differences between the regions (the dialects vary a lot, but not as much as the Spanish and Catalan languages differ) but it does work because the government is not centralised like in Spain or France, and the Bundesländer have their say there's a lot of respect for each other. Spain's PP has always shown disrespect to any federalization and autonomy of the spanish regions.
  - iagovar 9y ago
    Except the government in Spain is not centralised at all. The comparison with France is just... IDK where are you getting this ideas but is mostly the opposite. PP is disrespectful about everything but that doesn't mean that there's no autonomy, there's a reason why every region has an "autonomous government" and are called "autonomous communities", basically because they have that autonomy. More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_communities_of_Spain#Legal_powers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_communities_of_Spai...
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mertd 9y ago
Sometimes parts are weaker than the whole. The strong economy is possibly part due to investments made with the assumption that Catalonia would be part of Spain for the foreseeable future. Would London have been the de-facto financial hub of Europe, if people knew Brexit was coming?
- icebraining 9y ago
  I'd bet you London will keep being the financial hub of Europe long after Brexit.

TomK32 9y ago

Yes, can we have Napoleon's unite Europe back? Or at least the Third Reich? Austria-Hungary was also a terrific idea as was the Ottoman Empire (why did the Greeks every want to rule themselves?)