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While I always enjoy a good rant, I don't see why it had to be so vicious and insulting. Yeah, the guy's clearly pretty confused (if he wanted to do these kind

While I always enjoy a good rant, I don't see why it had to be so vicious and insulting. Yeah, the guy's clearly pretty confused (if he wanted to do these kind of tricks, I'd try to use setjmp, fiddle with the structure, then longjmp to it), but there's no reason to be mean about it.

ww520 16y ago
I think it's because his indignant demand of the Cygwin team to fix this "bug" and make it work for him. Basically it's the attitude that I know my way is the right way, now fix the platform so that my program runs.
- xpaulbettsx 16y ago
  I don't see any demands in the original mail: http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2005-08/msg00504.html http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2005-08/msg00504.html He questions whether it "should be fixed" in Cygwin, a perfectly reasonable request, and he fully admits that he isn't sure whether it's a problem in Cygwin or not.
  - ww520 16y ago
    "Should be fixed" is a passive aggressive way to demand it to be fixed. His reference to Linus doing the same thing in kernel (not) sounds very much like a smack response. Also he claims he knows what he's doing since he has done the same thing in DOS so when it's clear that he has no clue of what's going on just irrates people.
    - tptacek 16y ago
      Instead of trying to walk "indignant demand" back to "passive aggressive way to demand" inch by inch, just concede that all the guy did was ask a question and make a case for why he thought Cygwin's behavior was broken. Nobody's saying Cygwin has to agree with him, but you've simply mischaracterized the start of the thread. My interpretation is that Korn was trying to be funny (and he succeeded), but as usual the peanut gallery ruined the joke.
- silentbicycle 16y ago
  Yeah, but blunt brevity and "go read X instead, you're going about it wrong" would have been better for everyone involved.
  - maushu 16y ago
    You forget that the same day is not the same for everybody, Dave might just had a bad day that resulted in that response. We are just humans. Totally unrelated input might result in a change on the output.
    - silentbicycle 16y ago
      Very true, and very easy to forget when you're responding to a text box rather than in person.
mfukar 16y ago
Because he had the same attitude with this guy: http://bugs.php.net/52435 http://bugs.php.net/52435
- llaxsll 16y ago
  :). From the comments: I get this problem too. It only seems to happen if your IQ is less than 70, though.
Lazlo_Nibble 16y ago
While I always enjoy a good rant, I don't see why it had to be so vicious and insulting. The cygwin maintainers are not known for their patience and affability.
tptacek 16y ago
While setjmp/longjmp is a good trick (it's how Hanson did his thread library in CII), it's actually an even less good approach by the standards of this mailing list; there are even fewer constraints on how Cygwin needs to implement longjmp than there are on how it manages %%esp.
- jsn 16y ago
  What are the problems with setjmp/longjmp? (a honest question; I've drafted a proof-of-concept implementation of C coroutines yesterday, just to see how long it will take me to get it working -- http://gist.github.com/491302 http://gist.github.com/491302).

ww520 16y ago

I think it's because his indignant demand of the Cygwin team to fix this "bug" and make it work for him. Basically it's the attitude that I know my way is the right way, now fix the platform so that my program runs.

xpaulbettsx 16y ago
I don't see any demands in the original mail: http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2005-08/msg00504.html http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2005-08/msg00504.html He questions whether it "should be fixed" in Cygwin, a perfectly reasonable request, and he fully admits that he isn't sure whether it's a problem in Cygwin or not.
- ww520 16y ago
  "Should be fixed" is a passive aggressive way to demand it to be fixed. His reference to Linus doing the same thing in kernel (not) sounds very much like a smack response. Also he claims he knows what he's doing since he has done the same thing in DOS so when it's clear that he has no clue of what's going on just irrates people.
  - tptacek 16y ago
    Instead of trying to walk "indignant demand" back to "passive aggressive way to demand" inch by inch, just concede that all the guy did was ask a question and make a case for why he thought Cygwin's behavior was broken. Nobody's saying Cygwin has to agree with him, but you've simply mischaracterized the start of the thread. My interpretation is that Korn was trying to be funny (and he succeeded), but as usual the peanut gallery ruined the joke.
silentbicycle 16y ago
Yeah, but blunt brevity and "go read X instead, you're going about it wrong" would have been better for everyone involved.
- maushu 16y ago
  You forget that the same day is not the same for everybody, Dave might just had a bad day that resulted in that response. We are just humans. Totally unrelated input might result in a change on the output.
  - silentbicycle 16y ago
    Very true, and very easy to forget when you're responding to a text box rather than in person.

mfukar 16y ago

Because he had the same attitude with this guy: http://bugs.php.net/52435 http://bugs.php.net/52435

llaxsll 16y ago
:). From the comments: I get this problem too. It only seems to happen if your IQ is less than 70, though.

Lazlo_Nibble 16y ago

While I always enjoy a good rant, I don't see why it had to be so vicious and insulting. The cygwin maintainers are not known for their patience and affability.

tptacek 16y ago

While setjmp/longjmp is a good trick (it's how Hanson did his thread library in CII), it's actually an even less good approach by the standards of this mailing list; there are even fewer constraints on how Cygwin needs to implement longjmp than there are on how it manages %%esp.

jsn 16y ago
What are the problems with setjmp/longjmp? (a honest question; I've drafted a proof-of-concept implementation of C coroutines yesterday, just to see how long it will take me to get it working -- http://gist.github.com/491302 http://gist.github.com/491302).