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So, there is the State Department's classification of languages by how easy they are to learn for English speakers, which shows a wide variation. https://en.wi
by schoen 9y ago
So, there is the State Department's classification of languages by how easy they are to learn for English speakers, which shows a wide variation.
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Language_Learning_Difficulty_for_English_Speakers https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Language_Learning_Di...
Of course, this classification is explicitly meant for native English speakers and includes the degree of relatedness to English as a contributing factor. I don't know if someone has done research about the average difficulty of each language as L2 considered across everyone in the world, but clearly there will be some that are easier and harder on average, considering factors such as unusual phonemes, non-alphabetic writing systems, irregular orthography, irregular inflections, presence or absence of inflections, similarity of sentence structure to most common sentence structures, and so on.
Chinese probably has advantages as L2 due to the lack of inflections but disadvantages due to the extremely difficult writing system and (maybe?) tones -- just because I think most languages worldwide are not tonal. English has advantages due to the alphabetic writing system and disadvantages due to irregular verbs, irregular orthography, and some relatively unusual phonemes.
Also, a lot of non-Chinese speakers already speak languages that are related to Chinese and/or share part of their writing system with Chinese, while a lot of non-English speakers already speak languages that are related to English and/or share part of their writing system with English.
Anyway, we need to look into this a lot more before just saying that one language is a clear winner, but the idea is not at all meaningless and should in principle have an answer. Although clearly there will be some people who will be at a huge advantage or a huge disadvantage in learning any given L2, which is, again, a big part of what the State Department ranking is showing (not just the inherent ease or difficulty of learning each of these languages in the abstract).
- StavrosK 9y agoThat's an interesting resource, although, as you say, it measures more "how close this language is to English" than "how easy it is to learn for everyone". I agree with your entire comment, though, there is probably an answer for "which language is easiest for a group of X languages speakers to learn?".
- kawera 9y agoAnother aspect to consider is how many languages a learner already speaks. Mandarin is far from simple but I'm having a relatively smooth ride learning it as my L6.
- schoen 9y agoI've experienced this a lot (with myself, but especially with some hyperpolyglot friends who are or have been conversational in over 7 languages), and I'm kind of curious which way the causality runs! My intuition is to believe myself and others when we say that "knowing about more ways things can work" in languages makes it smoother to learn and assimilate new ones. But I also wonder if there could be an effect of "people who enjoy learning languages enjoy learning languages"?
- DonaldFisk 9y agoAn alternative ranking is given in http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/lang... > Chinese probably has advantages as L2 due to the lack of inflections but disadvantages due to the extremely difficult writing system and (maybe?) tones Tones aren't much of a problem. The main problem is the script, combined with the lack of vocabulary sharing between Mandarin and English (no cognates, very few loans in either direction. It isn't particularly difficult - it just requires lots of tedious memorization of thousands of printed characters and spoken words. Cantonese and other Chinese languages have very little printed material. (All Chinese speakers use the same written language, which is based upon spoken Mandarin.)