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This cultural conflict is occurring in the United States as well. For various reasons, Spanish is becoming much more prevalent in certain parts of the country.

This cultural conflict is occurring in the United States as well. For various reasons, Spanish is becoming much more prevalent in certain parts of the country. While large chunks of the country try to take a multiculturalist approach and embrace the lingual and cultural change, other parts want to maintain their cultural and communal identity and have them integrate. It's actually causing quite a bit of conflict between areas with different approaches.

mistermann 9y ago
This is becoming an increasingly large problem in Canada as well with Chinese, especially with ethnic enclaves and lack of cultural integration. And any discussion similar to that of the parent comment to yours would be considered near hate speech by most people under 35, particularly those who are university educated.
- averagewall 9y ago
  I meet your age limit so I hope I can ask why is it a problem to have ethnic enclaves? Are they not doing fine in their own communities living their own lifestyles?
  - mistermann 9y ago
    Step 1 in these discussions is, do you believe culture represents something real or imaginary.
    - averagewall 9y ago
      Real in the sense that it's how people interact. I think cultures evolve so people can co-exist effectively, but they're also full of random useless or harmful behaviours that might be holdovers from when they used to be useful.
      - mistermann 9y ago
        > but they're also full of random useless or harmful behaviours that might be holdovers from when they used to be useful This is the problematic part, but a lot of people don't believe there is such a thing.
- Aloha 9y ago
  I find cultural enclaves to be both needed, sometimes dangerous, and in some cases disrespectful. It's needed, because often people bring their parents and grandparents over with them, to act as a support network to help prosper and raise children - its unreasonable to expect people older than 50 or so to learn english - nor is it practical. It becomes dangerous when you have second and third generation immigrants not learning english and joining the larger culture of whatever nation their parents or grandparents immigrated to - and its disrespectful, because frankly, my people moved here from the 'old county' (norway among other places) they didn't speak english, but they learned, and they wanted to join in all of the benefits of being a part of this new country of theirs. An example, I'm an American - if I moved to Spain or Germany, I'd want to participate as fully as I could in the culture and society of my newly adopted country, I'd want to localize myself to the my new found home, to me, its disrespectful to the hospitality of my new home country if I do not - it's as if they gave me a gift, and I'm not reciprocating by keeping up my part of the bargain by becoming a true citizen of that place. If I'd wanted to continue the old ways/if the old ways were working for me, I could just stay at home.
Aloha 9y ago
I strongly suspect a blend of the two approaches will win over time, which is to say, even in the spanish dominated regions, it will be english first, spanish second. This has happened with every immigrant group eventually here - the dominant culture is all smothering.

mistermann 9y ago

This is becoming an increasingly large problem in Canada as well with Chinese, especially with ethnic enclaves and lack of cultural integration. And any discussion similar to that of the parent comment to yours would be considered near hate speech by most people under 35, particularly those who are university educated.

averagewall 9y ago
I meet your age limit so I hope I can ask why is it a problem to have ethnic enclaves? Are they not doing fine in their own communities living their own lifestyles?
- mistermann 9y ago
  Step 1 in these discussions is, do you believe culture represents something real or imaginary.
  - averagewall 9y ago
    Real in the sense that it's how people interact. I think cultures evolve so people can co-exist effectively, but they're also full of random useless or harmful behaviours that might be holdovers from when they used to be useful.
    - mistermann 9y ago
      > but they're also full of random useless or harmful behaviours that might be holdovers from when they used to be useful This is the problematic part, but a lot of people don't believe there is such a thing.
Aloha 9y ago
I find cultural enclaves to be both needed, sometimes dangerous, and in some cases disrespectful. It's needed, because often people bring their parents and grandparents over with them, to act as a support network to help prosper and raise children - its unreasonable to expect people older than 50 or so to learn english - nor is it practical. It becomes dangerous when you have second and third generation immigrants not learning english and joining the larger culture of whatever nation their parents or grandparents immigrated to - and its disrespectful, because frankly, my people moved here from the 'old county' (norway among other places) they didn't speak english, but they learned, and they wanted to join in all of the benefits of being a part of this new country of theirs. An example, I'm an American - if I moved to Spain or Germany, I'd want to participate as fully as I could in the culture and society of my newly adopted country, I'd want to localize myself to the my new found home, to me, its disrespectful to the hospitality of my new home country if I do not - it's as if they gave me a gift, and I'm not reciprocating by keeping up my part of the bargain by becoming a true citizen of that place. If I'd wanted to continue the old ways/if the old ways were working for me, I could just stay at home.

Aloha 9y ago

I strongly suspect a blend of the two approaches will win over time, which is to say, even in the spanish dominated regions, it will be english first, spanish second. This has happened with every immigrant group eventually here - the dominant culture is all smothering.