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What I find most difficult is having to defend from the assumption that my defense of speech means that I agree with the speech. This is untrue and a non sequi
by KGIII 9y ago
What I find most difficult is having to defend from the assumption that my defense of speech means that I agree with the speech.
This is untrue and a non sequitur.
I can't stand Nazis. I'm not white and they'd harm me, if given opportunity to do so. They are truly horrible people.
As horrible as they are, they still deserve basic human rights up until they violate the law. We don't preemptively punish people. We don't take rights away without due process. We operate with the assumption of innocence until proven guilty.
Well, we used to...
So, when I stand up for the rights of the deplorable, I'm assumed to be a deplorable. Never mind that I'm standing up for the rights of all, I'm now counted as one of the deplorable.
And defending against that takes some time. To be fair, I didn't have anything better to do, most of the time. Still, I've had this conversation so many times that I could probably script it and automate it.
Seriously, a sibling post noticed that I have this verbiage figured out. They aren't the first to notice. I've been having this same conversation since before the Internet was world wide. Someone has to stand up for free speech while not actually being deplorable. It's more tasteful to hear it from me than to hear it from a KKK Grand Wizard. The reception is much better, put it that way. ;-)
- s73ver_ 9y agoI don't believe you agree with most of it. But you're still willing to allow it, which isn't much better to me.
- KGIII 9y agoOf course I'm willing to allow it. That's what defending free speech means. Free speech means allowing the deplorable, the horrible, the hateful, and the hurtful. It does have limits, and those limits are already encoded in the laws. I've already been over those. I like all of my rights, even if I'm not using them. I not only want them for myself, I want them for you.
- s73ver_ 9y agoI'm sorry, but we will never agree on this topic. Rape threats are not free speech, and saying I don't defend them does NOT mean that I am against free speech.
- nate_meurer 9y agoJust as you are allowed to say things considered insulting, oppressive, and intimidating by other (unfortunately large and growing) groups of people. Nobody complains about being marginalized more loudly than the nativists and white supremacists, and they use the exact same arguments as you do to demand that their critics be silenced.