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I agree good riddance, but for a different reason. I hope we can start to move towards smart cities, and getting rid of cars. It is ridiculous the reliance on c

I agree good riddance, but for a different reason. I hope we can start to move towards smart cities, and getting rid of cars. It is ridiculous the reliance on cars that people in cities have.

bdamm 9y ago
It's almost too obvious but... cars aren't going away, mate.
- ferentchak 9y ago
  For example the v8 interceptor will outlive all those so called "smart cities"
stephenr 9y ago
... have you ever been to Australia? It's a big fucking place with fuck all people (compared to a lot of the rest of the developed world). The solution to society's problems is not "all get rid of our cars and live in shoe boxes 1 minute walk away from each other".
- _kyran 9y ago
  If I'm not mistaken, the person that you're responding to is from Australia and lives in one of the cities where Ford closed their factory :)
- ACow_Adonis 9y ago
  You're both wrong and right :p While the distances between the towns in Australia is massive, most of our population resides in a handful of urban coastal cities. While car culture is historically dominant, the biggest cities are all seriously trending towards increased densification, and much of our substantial immigration over the past 2 decades had been from nations used to much denser living. I leave open the question as to whether it is the answer to all societies problems, but it would be a brave man to proclaim that wasn't the way Australian cities and population hadn't been trending for the past 10 years, and we'll likely trend for at least the next 10.
  - stephenr 9y ago
    most of Australia's population lives in the suburbs surrounding the city. Public transport from the suburbs to anywhere but the city or somewhere directly on the way, is terrible. Will we have better cars that are less polluting, safer, even self driving? Sure. Will we get rid of personal motorised transportation? No.
    - elementalest 9y ago
      Yep, and try getting the government to pay the billions required to get public transport up to standard to be able to just provide adequate transport for the majority of people in those cities.
    - ACow_Adonis 9y ago
      Perhaps I am overly generous in assuming that anyone talking about getting rid of cars is partaking in rhetorical hyperbole, and moreso making the point that we might be moving away from 2-3 cars for every household in the burbs, and approaching/trending towards 1-2 overall. I will add in addition to my above post, that our high property prices are additionally feeding an additional densification trend...
      - stephenr 9y ago
        I don't know where you live but everywhere I've lived, it's been 1 maybe two cars per couple, or one car if the person is single. The only exception I've seen to this is if people own a motorbike too, but then it's usually 1 shared car for the couple and a motorbike each.
        oculusthrift 9y ago
        sounds like you live in a city with young people whereas if you are in a suburb it’s families with a bunch of cars. Both parents can have a car, and they can have a van and maybe they’ll have a car for their 16 year old kid.
- megablast 9y ago
  Yes, I have lived in Brisbane, Melbourne and now Sydney. All 3 cities could do with no cars. But people here are too addicted to them, and couldn't even imagine going down to the shops without a car. And make lots of excuses about it, such as it is too far and too big.
  - stephenr 9y ago
    Let's pick common ground. Define "Melbourne"? How far from the cbd before it's not Melbourne for you, because I know you can't be suggesting people in Frankston or pakenham don't need a car. And from personal experience I can tell you that any argument of not needing a car goes out the window as soon as someone has kids. Discussion over. Unless you're volunteering to cart around all the shit parents take with them?

I agree good riddance, but for a different reason. I hope we can start to move towards smart cities, and getting rid of cars. It is ridiculous the reliance on cars that people in cities have.

bdamm 9y ago

It's almost too obvious but... cars aren't going away, mate.

ferentchak 9y ago
For example the v8 interceptor will outlive all those so called "smart cities"

stephenr 9y ago

... have you ever been to Australia? It's a big fucking place with fuck all people (compared to a lot of the rest of the developed world). The solution to society's problems is not "all get rid of our cars and live in shoe boxes 1 minute walk away from each other".

_kyran 9y ago
If I'm not mistaken, the person that you're responding to is from Australia and lives in one of the cities where Ford closed their factory :)
ACow_Adonis 9y ago
You're both wrong and right :p While the distances between the towns in Australia is massive, most of our population resides in a handful of urban coastal cities. While car culture is historically dominant, the biggest cities are all seriously trending towards increased densification, and much of our substantial immigration over the past 2 decades had been from nations used to much denser living. I leave open the question as to whether it is the answer to all societies problems, but it would be a brave man to proclaim that wasn't the way Australian cities and population hadn't been trending for the past 10 years, and we'll likely trend for at least the next 10.
- stephenr 9y ago
  most of Australia's population lives in the suburbs surrounding the city. Public transport from the suburbs to anywhere but the city or somewhere directly on the way, is terrible. Will we have better cars that are less polluting, safer, even self driving? Sure. Will we get rid of personal motorised transportation? No.
  - elementalest 9y ago
    Yep, and try getting the government to pay the billions required to get public transport up to standard to be able to just provide adequate transport for the majority of people in those cities.
  - ACow_Adonis 9y ago
    Perhaps I am overly generous in assuming that anyone talking about getting rid of cars is partaking in rhetorical hyperbole, and moreso making the point that we might be moving away from 2-3 cars for every household in the burbs, and approaching/trending towards 1-2 overall. I will add in addition to my above post, that our high property prices are additionally feeding an additional densification trend...
    - stephenr 9y ago
      I don't know where you live but everywhere I've lived, it's been 1 maybe two cars per couple, or one car if the person is single. The only exception I've seen to this is if people own a motorbike too, but then it's usually 1 shared car for the couple and a motorbike each.
      - oculusthrift 9y ago
        sounds like you live in a city with young people whereas if you are in a suburb it’s families with a bunch of cars. Both parents can have a car, and they can have a van and maybe they’ll have a car for their 16 year old kid.
megablast 9y ago
Yes, I have lived in Brisbane, Melbourne and now Sydney. All 3 cities could do with no cars. But people here are too addicted to them, and couldn't even imagine going down to the shops without a car. And make lots of excuses about it, such as it is too far and too big.
- stephenr 9y ago
  Let's pick common ground. Define "Melbourne"? How far from the cbd before it's not Melbourne for you, because I know you can't be suggesting people in Frankston or pakenham don't need a car. And from personal experience I can tell you that any argument of not needing a car goes out the window as soon as someone has kids. Discussion over. Unless you're volunteering to cart around all the shit parents take with them?