> The problem is your reasoning is based on these 'wisdoms' that aren't actually real facts or which are simply misunderstood, for example This is what communi

> The problem is your reasoning is based on these 'wisdoms' that aren't actually real facts or which are simply misunderstood, for example This is what communists always say: "Communism is just misunderstood and has been poorly implemented. We'll get it right this time." 100 million people in the 20th century say otherwise--well, they would, if they were alive to do so, but they were killed by communism. I'll try to be concise: 1. Communism and anarchy are not the same thing, because in communism, sharing is not optional. 2. Communism is not stateless, because the laws are enforced to enact communism, and whatever entity enforces the laws is the state. I guess you're thinking that communism is "the people" rather than "the state," but that is a false distinction, because whichever of the people dissent are forced to comply by the other people, i.e. the state. This is like saying that there is no "state" in the United States, because it is "of, by, and for the People." However, this is a false distinction, because the state is not the People, rather it is authorized by the People, and its powers are delegated to it by the People. It remains a distinct entity. 3. Therefore, anywhere there is a government, there is a state. The only stateless society would be total anarchy, like nomads roaming the plains thousands of years ago. Even then, they had tribes, which were essentially mini-states. So to claim that communism is stateless is essentially playing semantic games. 4. You said, "Communists and anarchists have the same end goal, these two 'groupings' are one and the same in the end." This is interesting, because most of (if not all of) the "anarchists" we see today are actually thinly veiled communists. They advocate anarchy to destroy the existing society, hoping to then create a new communist state afterward. But you seem to think that communists and anarchists are the same because you think that both are advocating for a stateless society (which is not the case). So we agree on your conclusion, but apparently for different reasons. 5. Communism is not classless. Whoever is in charge is in a class above the rest. > Your whole post is more of an argument against authoritarianism than anything else in my opinion. Yes, it is--and communism is authoritarian.