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If anything the PS4 is a downgrade from the PS3 here. The PS3 ran everything in a hypervisor.

emodendroket 9y ago
I guess if people want this to happen they should goad George Hotz by telling him he can't possibly beat the protection.
- rjeli 9y ago
  George is banned from exploiting Sony products
  - mlrtime 9y ago
    Isn't everyone?
    - hmschreck 9y ago
      Not like he is. If memory serves, if he tries to break a Sony device again, he faces massive fines, etc.
      - KGIII 9y ago
        Do you have a good link for some backstory on this one? I'm not sure how that could even be possible in the legal frameworks.
        icebraining 9y ago
        Terms of the settlement: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-hotz-settlement-details-surface/1100-6308347/ https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-hotz-settlement-detai...
        KGIII 9y ago
        Holy crap! Thanks! That's insane. I'm not a gamer but it looks like they just published how to "hack" the console and they were hit with that. That's crazy. In the span of a minute, I can think of a dozen better solutions to this. If I'm reading properly, they didn't even do anything that I'd call wrong. They found an exploit and published it. I suppose the DMCA and "circumvention tools" come into play - but that only points to the absurdity of the situation (at least in my opinion).
        icebraining 9y ago
        Sony threw everything at them: DMCA, CFAA, copyright, California Computer Crime Law, even violating the PSN TOS.
        KGIII 9y ago
        I support IP rights, as a general rule. However, they sure get abused. I'm kind of annoyed about this, even though I have nothing to do with it. If you break my system, thanks for letting us know. It'd be great if we could pay you to help fix our system and make it more difficult to break in the future. I'd not take them to court. I'd try to hire them. Hell, I'd give them reward money - even if they didn't want to be hired.
        ChristianBundy 9y ago
        Intellectual property is theft.
        KGIII 9y ago
        Sure, inasmuch as taking labor without payment is slavery.
        marcoperaza 9y ago
        Would you think so if you poured your soul into writing a book, only to have it copied and distributed without your permission, for someone else's profit?
  - coretx 9y ago
    We all don't know the details of the settlement, but we DO know George can sing about it. PoC's in rap would be nice.
- VectorLock 9y ago
  Guy is too busy raging about self-driving car regulations and making ODBII dongles.
zbowling 9y ago
The hypervisor for the PS3 wasn't designed to be secure. It was reference hypervisor from IBM if I remember correctly and designed for scaling environments up and not security isolation. It was full of holes. At least FreeBSD starts out as battle tested verified OS of sorts unlike the PS3 Frenken-OS.
tinus_hn 9y ago
PS3 for the most time allowed people to legitimately run an other operating system on it, so these was less of an incentive to build ‘jailbreaks’ and cracks.

I guess if people want this to happen they should goad George Hotz by telling him he can't possibly beat the protection.

rjeli 9y ago
George is banned from exploiting Sony products
- mlrtime 9y ago
  Isn't everyone?
  - hmschreck 9y ago
    Not like he is. If memory serves, if he tries to break a Sony device again, he faces massive fines, etc.
    - KGIII 9y ago
      Do you have a good link for some backstory on this one? I'm not sure how that could even be possible in the legal frameworks.
      - icebraining 9y ago
        Terms of the settlement: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-hotz-settlement-details-surface/1100-6308347/ https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-hotz-settlement-detai...
        KGIII 9y ago
        Holy crap! Thanks! That's insane. I'm not a gamer but it looks like they just published how to "hack" the console and they were hit with that. That's crazy. In the span of a minute, I can think of a dozen better solutions to this. If I'm reading properly, they didn't even do anything that I'd call wrong. They found an exploit and published it. I suppose the DMCA and "circumvention tools" come into play - but that only points to the absurdity of the situation (at least in my opinion).
        icebraining 9y ago
        Sony threw everything at them: DMCA, CFAA, copyright, California Computer Crime Law, even violating the PSN TOS.
        KGIII 9y ago
        I support IP rights, as a general rule. However, they sure get abused. I'm kind of annoyed about this, even though I have nothing to do with it. If you break my system, thanks for letting us know. It'd be great if we could pay you to help fix our system and make it more difficult to break in the future. I'd not take them to court. I'd try to hire them. Hell, I'd give them reward money - even if they didn't want to be hired.
        ChristianBundy 9y ago
        Intellectual property is theft.
        KGIII 9y ago
        Sure, inasmuch as taking labor without payment is slavery.
        marcoperaza 9y ago
        Would you think so if you poured your soul into writing a book, only to have it copied and distributed without your permission, for someone else's profit?
- coretx 9y ago
  We all don't know the details of the settlement, but we DO know George can sing about it. PoC's in rap would be nice.
VectorLock 9y ago
Guy is too busy raging about self-driving car regulations and making ODBII dongles.

zbowling 9y ago

The hypervisor for the PS3 wasn't designed to be secure. It was reference hypervisor from IBM if I remember correctly and designed for scaling environments up and not security isolation. It was full of holes. At least FreeBSD starts out as battle tested verified OS of sorts unlike the PS3 Frenken-OS.

tinus_hn 9y ago

PS3 for the most time allowed people to legitimately run an other operating system on it, so these was less of an incentive to build ‘jailbreaks’ and cracks.