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Am I the only one who's pretty much done with reading these sort of rinse and repeat articles about just writing a bootloader in the name of a kernel?

Tepix 9y ago
The article uses the grub bootloader so that part is missing. But I was expecting more when I read "kernel" as well.
vidarh 9y ago
Nobody is forcing you. I wish we had more of these, not least because of the first comment: "great post. Didn't know it was this easy ;)" People assume a lot of low level stuff like this is near magic not for mere mortals, and it's a great shame, because there's a lot of this kind of low level stuff that more people would benefit from playing with. And because demystifying it is a great path to get people into kernel hacking even if they don't end up writing their own complete kernel.
- gmueckl 9y ago
  This stuff is not magic. But it requires a lot of reading and hunting for proper documentation on a platform as convoluted as x86. An ARM board would probably be way easier to play with. I never looked at the Pi. How well does it lend itself to this type of hacking?
  - vidarh 9y ago
    Specific ARM boards might very well be easier, in that a lot of them are clean slate designs, so you're not dragging along nearly 40 years of PC history. But ARM CPU's themselves is plagued by the fact that OEMs can put pretty much whatever they want in there, so there is a proliferation of really weird beasts.
shakna 9y ago
You could jump into a project like MikeOS, which has guides for modifying and extending [0], but the know-how from a bootloader should be enough to get you going. [0] http://mikeos.sourceforge.net/handbook-sysdev.html http://mikeos.sourceforge.net/handbook-sysdev.html
drwu 9y ago
I share the same feeling. I've done even a better boot loader which could load a simple shell on the floppy when I was 13. However, only in 16 bits and use bios INTs.
- fredrb 9y ago
  A simple Kernel shared with the community is better than a full-featured one kept to yourself.

Tepix 9y ago

The article uses the grub bootloader so that part is missing. But I was expecting more when I read "kernel" as well.

vidarh 9y ago

Nobody is forcing you. I wish we had more of these, not least because of the first comment: "great post. Didn't know it was this easy ;)" People assume a lot of low level stuff like this is near magic not for mere mortals, and it's a great shame, because there's a lot of this kind of low level stuff that more people would benefit from playing with. And because demystifying it is a great path to get people into kernel hacking even if they don't end up writing their own complete kernel.

gmueckl 9y ago
This stuff is not magic. But it requires a lot of reading and hunting for proper documentation on a platform as convoluted as x86. An ARM board would probably be way easier to play with. I never looked at the Pi. How well does it lend itself to this type of hacking?
- vidarh 9y ago
  Specific ARM boards might very well be easier, in that a lot of them are clean slate designs, so you're not dragging along nearly 40 years of PC history. But ARM CPU's themselves is plagued by the fact that OEMs can put pretty much whatever they want in there, so there is a proliferation of really weird beasts.

shakna 9y ago

You could jump into a project like MikeOS, which has guides for modifying and extending [0], but the know-how from a bootloader should be enough to get you going. [0] http://mikeos.sourceforge.net/handbook-sysdev.html http://mikeos.sourceforge.net/handbook-sysdev.html

drwu 9y ago

I share the same feeling. I've done even a better boot loader which could load a simple shell on the floppy when I was 13. However, only in 16 bits and use bios INTs.

fredrb 9y ago
A simple Kernel shared with the community is better than a full-featured one kept to yourself.