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You're acting as though ESR is some sort of abusing monster. I'm subscribed to his blog, I've chatted with him on email ... perhaps I'm missing something here?

You're acting as though ESR is some sort of abusing monster. I'm subscribed to his blog, I've chatted with him on email ... perhaps I'm missing something here? I mean, it's possible I was mistaken, and he is in fact racist. Certainly the casting couch post is wrong, and I plan to call him on that. But I don't get your position here at all.

DonHopkins 9y ago
How long have you been reading his blog? Do you agree with ESR that blacks are lazy, the people in the open source community who wanted Russ Nelson to step down from being president of OSI for saying "blacks are lazy" were fools and thugs, and that blacks have lower IQ and are more violent than other races ("violent idiots" in his own words)? Because I'm wondering why you're not planning on calling him on all of that stuff, too... But I'm telling you in advance: nothing you say is going to change his opinion or behavior one bit. But be careful that he doesn't change yours.
- duncan_bayne 9y ago
  For years, but intermittently. I'd missed the laziness thing, which is also wrong if true. On IQ and violence: I had thought it was a fairly settled matter that the black population in the US has a lowered measured mean IQ, and higher incidence of violence, than the non-black? (Leaving aside all the issues with IQ itself). I'd also thought it was uncontroversially thought a matter of poverty, education, and culture - and that race was _not_ a causal factor (except in that being black in the US means you're likely to be a victim of discrimination). Has ESR claimed it's genetic, in the past? Because if so I've missed it ( I've clearly also missed some other wrong stuff, so it's entirely possible).
  - DonHopkins 9y ago
    You've also PICKED UP and BELIEVED some of the very wrong stuff, like your false claim parroting white supremacist propaganda from ESR's blog that "Affirmative action _is_ racism, by definition". I am still waiting for you to counter the argument I posted showing that you are wrong, or admit what you said was wrong, and that you were wrong for parroting it. Please stop spreading those lies.
    - duncan_bayne 9y ago
      See elsewhere on thread. Also, my opinions on racism predate my discovery of ESRs writing on same. Please stop treating me as an imbecile incapable of forming my own opinions.

DonHopkins 9y ago

How long have you been reading his blog? Do you agree with ESR that blacks are lazy, the people in the open source community who wanted Russ Nelson to step down from being president of OSI for saying "blacks are lazy" were fools and thugs, and that blacks have lower IQ and are more violent than other races ("violent idiots" in his own words)? Because I'm wondering why you're not planning on calling him on all of that stuff, too... But I'm telling you in advance: nothing you say is going to change his opinion or behavior one bit. But be careful that he doesn't change yours.

duncan_bayne 9y ago
For years, but intermittently. I'd missed the laziness thing, which is also wrong if true. On IQ and violence: I had thought it was a fairly settled matter that the black population in the US has a lowered measured mean IQ, and higher incidence of violence, than the non-black? (Leaving aside all the issues with IQ itself). I'd also thought it was uncontroversially thought a matter of poverty, education, and culture - and that race was _not_ a causal factor (except in that being black in the US means you're likely to be a victim of discrimination). Has ESR claimed it's genetic, in the past? Because if so I've missed it ( I've clearly also missed some other wrong stuff, so it's entirely possible).
- DonHopkins 9y ago
  You've also PICKED UP and BELIEVED some of the very wrong stuff, like your false claim parroting white supremacist propaganda from ESR's blog that "Affirmative action _is_ racism, by definition". I am still waiting for you to counter the argument I posted showing that you are wrong, or admit what you said was wrong, and that you were wrong for parroting it. Please stop spreading those lies.
  - duncan_bayne 9y ago
    See elsewhere on thread. Also, my opinions on racism predate my discovery of ESRs writing on same. Please stop treating me as an imbecile incapable of forming my own opinions.