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Also see this comment https://medium.com/@sarawinge/i-remember-that-night-17f5bf2a9227 https://medium.com/@sarawinge/i-remember-that-night-17f5bf2a... And this

Also see this comment https://medium.com/@sarawinge/i-remember-that-night-17f5bf2a9227 https://medium.com/@sarawinge/i-remember-that-night-17f5bf2a... And this tweet from Tim O'Reilly https://twitter.com/timoreilly/status/921124414418182144 https://twitter.com/timoreilly/status/921124414418182144

protomyth 9y ago
Created a Code of Conduct? What the heck is wrong with these people? Full stop, you call the police immediately. You do not cover it up. Was he raised by a PR firm?
- rtpg 9y ago
  Reading this just made realize how bonkers it is that we aren't actually calling the police. If some guy was smashing people's laptops, this would be an obvious option on the spectrum of ways to handle it. But here.... Granted, this also means attention to the victim, and given how society treats people making these claims it can be an extremely scary step forward to make for them, on top of the experience itself.
  - protomyth 9y ago
    The victim got enough attention without involving the police to commit suicide. Silence netted nothing and I would lay even odds that this wasn’t the last incident.
    - aptwebapps 9y ago
      That was a different victim and the way the story was related it seems that her identity was leaked to that particular community. Scoble's victim at the campfire has remained anonymous.
  - deleted 9y ago
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- smt88 9y ago
  Due to severe consequences to victims (such as the harassment and suicide mentioned in TFA), calling the police may be against the victim's wishes and harmful to them.
  - protomyth 9y ago
    If Scoble had been arrested, charged, and gone to trial, it would send a clear message. Hiding doesn’t help the next person and allows for more victims. The suicide might have happened anyway, but the not raising a fuss sure didn’t prevent self harm.
    - amazingman 9y ago
      > The suicide might have happened anyway, but There has to be a better way for you to argue your position than hand-waving away the gravity of a suicide. If there isn’t, maybe that should tell you something.
      - protomyth 9y ago
        I don’t hand wave the suicide. It is a horrible thing and all too common in some forgotten areas of the country. The lifetime scarring of a significant number of people is brutal. I dearly wish more attention were paid particularly when someone thinks it’s ok to send a bunch of partially trained individuals to stop a suicide cluster in a high school. I take suicide and the threat of suicide seriously. If the result is the worst possible one way (suicide and perpetrator walking free) then the other way at least might have resulted in a better outcome. Reading anything beyond that into what I wrote is just plain wrong.
        amazingman 9y ago
        You seem to be under the impression that there are only two “ways” to deal with situations having to do with sexual assault. I’m suggesting that perhaps it’s a bit more sophisticated of a discussion than that.
- natch 9y ago
  >Full stop, you call the police immediately. In an ideal world where calling the police does not invite greater danger, yes.
  - protomyth 9y ago
    What is your solution? This course of action got the victim killed. If you don’t call the cops it will happen again. Sexual predators don’t stop at one. Life is devastated when you are the victim of a crime, but you need to save the next person too.
    - Mz 9y ago
      This is a monstrous position. It should not be on the victim to be held responsible for the perpetrator's subsequent victims.
      - protomyth 9y ago
        The world sucks, and inaction by a lot of people allows the Harvey Weinsteins of the world to keep up their hateful acts. Ideally the victim will have support needed, but these predators can only be stopped one way if you want to remain within the law. The predator is always the one responsible, always.
        Mz 9y ago
        Please stop this. Throwing the victims to the wolves and not caring if they end up dead over your concept of justice is heinous. You are talking about additional ways to victimize them.
        protomyth 9y ago
        I care deeply about the victim but the predator already showed up. How do you get the predator off the street? I care about rebuilding there life, but the person who torched it needs to be gone. You cannot have closure if you can bump into that person during a business meeting. You want silence and that hasn’t worked.
- edanm 9y ago
  To be fair, a Code of Conduct is meant to cover a lot of things that the police won't be able to do much with. Rape is one (horrible) thing, but sexual harassment that doesn't lead to rape is still very bad and unacceptable, but usually not something you can call the police to deal with.

protomyth 9y ago

Created a Code of Conduct? What the heck is wrong with these people? Full stop, you call the police immediately. You do not cover it up. Was he raised by a PR firm?

rtpg 9y ago
Reading this just made realize how bonkers it is that we aren't actually calling the police. If some guy was smashing people's laptops, this would be an obvious option on the spectrum of ways to handle it. But here.... Granted, this also means attention to the victim, and given how society treats people making these claims it can be an extremely scary step forward to make for them, on top of the experience itself.
- protomyth 9y ago
  The victim got enough attention without involving the police to commit suicide. Silence netted nothing and I would lay even odds that this wasn’t the last incident.
  - aptwebapps 9y ago
    That was a different victim and the way the story was related it seems that her identity was leaked to that particular community. Scoble's victim at the campfire has remained anonymous.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
smt88 9y ago
Due to severe consequences to victims (such as the harassment and suicide mentioned in TFA), calling the police may be against the victim's wishes and harmful to them.
- protomyth 9y ago
  If Scoble had been arrested, charged, and gone to trial, it would send a clear message. Hiding doesn’t help the next person and allows for more victims. The suicide might have happened anyway, but the not raising a fuss sure didn’t prevent self harm.
  - amazingman 9y ago
    > The suicide might have happened anyway, but There has to be a better way for you to argue your position than hand-waving away the gravity of a suicide. If there isn’t, maybe that should tell you something.
    - protomyth 9y ago
      I don’t hand wave the suicide. It is a horrible thing and all too common in some forgotten areas of the country. The lifetime scarring of a significant number of people is brutal. I dearly wish more attention were paid particularly when someone thinks it’s ok to send a bunch of partially trained individuals to stop a suicide cluster in a high school. I take suicide and the threat of suicide seriously. If the result is the worst possible one way (suicide and perpetrator walking free) then the other way at least might have resulted in a better outcome. Reading anything beyond that into what I wrote is just plain wrong.
      - amazingman 9y ago
        You seem to be under the impression that there are only two “ways” to deal with situations having to do with sexual assault. I’m suggesting that perhaps it’s a bit more sophisticated of a discussion than that.
natch 9y ago
>Full stop, you call the police immediately. In an ideal world where calling the police does not invite greater danger, yes.
- protomyth 9y ago
  What is your solution? This course of action got the victim killed. If you don’t call the cops it will happen again. Sexual predators don’t stop at one. Life is devastated when you are the victim of a crime, but you need to save the next person too.
  - Mz 9y ago
    This is a monstrous position. It should not be on the victim to be held responsible for the perpetrator's subsequent victims.
    - protomyth 9y ago
      The world sucks, and inaction by a lot of people allows the Harvey Weinsteins of the world to keep up their hateful acts. Ideally the victim will have support needed, but these predators can only be stopped one way if you want to remain within the law. The predator is always the one responsible, always.
      - Mz 9y ago
        Please stop this. Throwing the victims to the wolves and not caring if they end up dead over your concept of justice is heinous. You are talking about additional ways to victimize them.
        protomyth 9y ago
        I care deeply about the victim but the predator already showed up. How do you get the predator off the street? I care about rebuilding there life, but the person who torched it needs to be gone. You cannot have closure if you can bump into that person during a business meeting. You want silence and that hasn’t worked.
edanm 9y ago
To be fair, a Code of Conduct is meant to cover a lot of things that the police won't be able to do much with. Rape is one (horrible) thing, but sexual harassment that doesn't lead to rape is still very bad and unacceptable, but usually not something you can call the police to deal with.