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About Commit privileges, using distributed version control system would help reduce the fear of commit.

JoachimSchipper 16y ago
Why? The "main" git repository is as important as the "main" Subversion repository. git is easier to work with for distributed development, but whatever is branded Python still shouldn't suck.
- cdavid 16y ago
  With a DVCS, you don't need commit privileges to benefit from all the advantages of using a VCS in the first place. So even if you keep the exact same list of comiters, "second-class" contributors can develop things much more easily. It also means that you can "screw-up" until you push (and as such can put things for review, etc... more easily).
  - mgrouchy 16y ago
    Also with a model similar to Github where you fork the repository and submit pull requests, Python developers could cherrypick the best commits from anyone who is interested in contributing. This probably doesn't scale, but you could certainly do it for just the predetermined contributors.
  - JoachimSchipper 16y ago
    It's a bit more convenient, but svn plus private repositories, or SVK, or git-svn work equally well. Again, I'm not saying git isn't more convenient - it is; the point is that even git-using projects end up with a "main repository" to which only a small number of people can commit. Increasing the number of people with commit rights can be useful even when using git.
- tkahn6 16y ago
  You should check out Linus' tech talk at Google about Git. Not only is Linus a really good speaker, he explains how a DVCS like git changes the workflow when it comes to managing the 'main' repository. Spoiler: He has a 'circle of trust'. He pulls and merges commits from people he thinks are really smart and those people in turn pull and merge from people they think are smart. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8
callahad 16y ago
s/commit privileges/push privileges/g From what I understand, a lot of the uncertainty isn't about committing, per se, but rather about changing the canonical repository.
jcsalterego 16y ago
Speaking of DVCS, Mercurial was chosen at PyCon 2009, although the implementation timeline appears TBD. http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0374/#decision http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0374/#decision http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0385/ http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0385/ http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-March/087931.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-March/08793...

Why? The "main" git repository is as important as the "main" Subversion repository. git is easier to work with for distributed development, but whatever is branded Python still shouldn't suck.

cdavid 16y ago
With a DVCS, you don't need commit privileges to benefit from all the advantages of using a VCS in the first place. So even if you keep the exact same list of comiters, "second-class" contributors can develop things much more easily. It also means that you can "screw-up" until you push (and as such can put things for review, etc... more easily).
- mgrouchy 16y ago
  Also with a model similar to Github where you fork the repository and submit pull requests, Python developers could cherrypick the best commits from anyone who is interested in contributing. This probably doesn't scale, but you could certainly do it for just the predetermined contributors.
- JoachimSchipper 16y ago
  It's a bit more convenient, but svn plus private repositories, or SVK, or git-svn work equally well. Again, I'm not saying git isn't more convenient - it is; the point is that even git-using projects end up with a "main repository" to which only a small number of people can commit. Increasing the number of people with commit rights can be useful even when using git.
tkahn6 16y ago
You should check out Linus' tech talk at Google about Git. Not only is Linus a really good speaker, he explains how a DVCS like git changes the workflow when it comes to managing the 'main' repository. Spoiler: He has a 'circle of trust'. He pulls and merges commits from people he thinks are really smart and those people in turn pull and merge from people they think are smart. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8

callahad 16y ago

s/commit privileges/push privileges/g From what I understand, a lot of the uncertainty isn't about committing, per se, but rather about changing the canonical repository.

jcsalterego 16y ago

Speaking of DVCS, Mercurial was chosen at PyCon 2009, although the implementation timeline appears TBD. http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0374/#decision http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0374/#decision http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0385/ http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0385/ http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-March/087931.html http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-March/08793...