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As I'm familiar with PHP, I find it way simpler to just do `php somefile.php > somefile.html`, then I don't need to learn a new templating language and go aroun

As I'm familiar with PHP, I find it way simpler to just do `php somefile.php > somefile.html`, then I don't need to learn a new templating language and go around the quirks of a custom building tool. I guess it could make sense for somebody who doesn't know any other templating language.

_jal 9y ago
Or for someone who considers PHP a bucket of suck and avoids it whenever possible. Or for someone who doesn't want the PHP dependency graph installed. Or who likes the conventions of this one better than coming up with their own or using some third-party PHP monstrosity with its own dependency graph. Or... There are many reasons different tools exist.
- wolco 9y ago
  2011 wants its memes back. PHP has changed, if you still have the opinion PHP is a bucket of suck give it another try the tooling around php has changed so much not to mention the language amnd speed improvements.
  - _jal 9y ago
    Geez, people get touchy about their tools. I wasn't attacking PHP. I pointing out in passing that some folks feel that way. But no, I'm not going to look at new 'n improved PHP, because I don't care about it and life's too short. I only ever used it in a past life when doing contract work fixing other people's messes.
    - eberkund 9y ago
      That's rather ignorant. But if you'd prefer to stick your head in the sand and keep espousing your negative experience with PHP from many years ago despite numerous people advocating the many improvements that happened over the years then that is your prerogative.
      - _jal 9y ago
        Wow, what a bundle of assumptions and arrogance, all wrapped around abysmal reading comprehension. I might worry about responding again after you write something that replies to what I actually wrote, not whatever you apparently imagined. But honestly, likely not, given your attitude.
        indigodaddy 9y ago
        After reading the little thread you were involved with, the lasting impression I come away with is that you were the only who needs an attitude adjustment, and that you see almost no value in any comments that others make that don't mirror your quite narrow views.
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        eberkund 9y ago
        I read everything you said and I didn't assume anything. It is fine to have no desire to learn modern PHP. Just don't then make opinionated statements in an abusive manner and expect to be able to contribute anything to a discussion on PHP as a development platform. I would have tried to address the points you brought up but the only thing you said was that PHP is a "bucket of suck" and something about dependencies.
        _jal 9y ago
        > but the only thing you said was that PHP is a "bucket of suck" I feel like this is turning into a bad Monty Python sketch. This is precisely what I have repeatedly pointed out: I did not say that I think PHP is a bucket of suck. I said some people hold the view while I was making a particular, different point. I was not making any sort of argument one way or the other about the quality of PHP or its fitness for any purpose, my technical-aesthetic preferences, or anything even vaguely related to your strangely aggressive misunderstandings. You can read this, in context, by scrolling up a little. If you are incapable of reading and comprehending the plain meaning of my words upthread, I don't know what else to say.

_jal 9y ago

Or for someone who considers PHP a bucket of suck and avoids it whenever possible. Or for someone who doesn't want the PHP dependency graph installed. Or who likes the conventions of this one better than coming up with their own or using some third-party PHP monstrosity with its own dependency graph. Or... There are many reasons different tools exist.

wolco 9y ago
2011 wants its memes back. PHP has changed, if you still have the opinion PHP is a bucket of suck give it another try the tooling around php has changed so much not to mention the language amnd speed improvements.
- _jal 9y ago
  Geez, people get touchy about their tools. I wasn't attacking PHP. I pointing out in passing that some folks feel that way. But no, I'm not going to look at new 'n improved PHP, because I don't care about it and life's too short. I only ever used it in a past life when doing contract work fixing other people's messes.
  - eberkund 9y ago
    That's rather ignorant. But if you'd prefer to stick your head in the sand and keep espousing your negative experience with PHP from many years ago despite numerous people advocating the many improvements that happened over the years then that is your prerogative.
    - _jal 9y ago
      Wow, what a bundle of assumptions and arrogance, all wrapped around abysmal reading comprehension. I might worry about responding again after you write something that replies to what I actually wrote, not whatever you apparently imagined. But honestly, likely not, given your attitude.
      - indigodaddy 9y ago
        After reading the little thread you were involved with, the lasting impression I come away with is that you were the only who needs an attitude adjustment, and that you see almost no value in any comments that others make that don't mirror your quite narrow views.
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      - eberkund 9y ago
        I read everything you said and I didn't assume anything. It is fine to have no desire to learn modern PHP. Just don't then make opinionated statements in an abusive manner and expect to be able to contribute anything to a discussion on PHP as a development platform. I would have tried to address the points you brought up but the only thing you said was that PHP is a "bucket of suck" and something about dependencies.
        _jal 9y ago
        > but the only thing you said was that PHP is a "bucket of suck" I feel like this is turning into a bad Monty Python sketch. This is precisely what I have repeatedly pointed out: I did not say that I think PHP is a bucket of suck. I said some people hold the view while I was making a particular, different point. I was not making any sort of argument one way or the other about the quality of PHP or its fitness for any purpose, my technical-aesthetic preferences, or anything even vaguely related to your strangely aggressive misunderstandings. You can read this, in context, by scrolling up a little. If you are incapable of reading and comprehending the plain meaning of my words upthread, I don't know what else to say.