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I've been using vim about 20 years now. Maybe I'm weird but I don't use any plugins. When I want more than what Vim does I use something else. Autocomplete, f

by snarfy 9y ago

I've been using vim about 20 years now. Maybe I'm weird but I don't use any plugins. When I want more than what Vim does I use something else. Autocomplete, find usages, etc? I'll use an IDE for that. When I need to refactor a 500MB text file without hanging my machine, I'll use vim.

emidln 9y ago
I used to use `alias qvim="vim -u ~/.qvimrc"` as my small, toned down vimrc. It still had some bells (like vim-surround), but lacked the full-on Unite.vim, tmux, etc integration of my usual vimrc.
falcolas 9y ago
> I'll use an IDE for that. These are usually attempts at reducing the need for IDEs, while keeping the familiar vim editing. With no exceptions so far, no IDE plugin (or emacs plugin, for that matter) has been able to emulate vim editing well enough to replace vim as my primary editor. Perhaps when neovim (or anything else) is able to give me native vim capabilities in a more extensible or powerful editor, I'll switch. But we're just not there yet.
- ghjnut 9y ago
  It sounds like you haven't given it a whirl. I've been on neovim for about about 3 years now after 5 years of native vim and it's been a complete drag-and-drop.
  - falcolas 9y ago
    Sorry for the confusion, but I'm talking about moving out of the vim ecosystem into Visual Studio or one of the Jetbrains IDEs or Eclipse when they can integrate an actual vim environment; not about moving from vim to neovim.
equalunique 9y ago
I also prefer plain vim or plain neovim, mainly because plugins aren't guaranteed to be on the servers I have to do work on.
- jaux 9y ago
  This only makes sense if you're on servers all the time, otherwise I wouldn't refuse to have a better workflow because of short period of inconvenience/annoyance.
  - eibhinn 9y ago
    Agreed. I run many plugins locally and love that workflow. Just means you need to keep all the basic vim commands in in your head too for remote work.
nilved 9y ago
You're not weird, but you're not a vim user, or the target of this post.
- snarfy 9y ago
  Not a vim user? I suppose your right. I use it as a continuation of vi. Instead of a nerdtree plugin, I use a real file browser to manage the files in my project. Instead of split windows, I open multiple instances. To refactor a piece of code, I use some ex commands, buffers and maybe a macro. In that sense I'm not a Vim user. Vim is the vi implementation I use.

by snarfy 9y ago

emidln 9y ago

I used to use `alias qvim="vim -u ~/.qvimrc"` as my small, toned down vimrc. It still had some bells (like vim-surround), but lacked the full-on Unite.vim, tmux, etc integration of my usual vimrc.

falcolas 9y ago

> I'll use an IDE for that. These are usually attempts at reducing the need for IDEs, while keeping the familiar vim editing. With no exceptions so far, no IDE plugin (or emacs plugin, for that matter) has been able to emulate vim editing well enough to replace vim as my primary editor. Perhaps when neovim (or anything else) is able to give me native vim capabilities in a more extensible or powerful editor, I'll switch. But we're just not there yet.

ghjnut 9y ago
It sounds like you haven't given it a whirl. I've been on neovim for about about 3 years now after 5 years of native vim and it's been a complete drag-and-drop.
- falcolas 9y ago
  Sorry for the confusion, but I'm talking about moving out of the vim ecosystem into Visual Studio or one of the Jetbrains IDEs or Eclipse when they can integrate an actual vim environment; not about moving from vim to neovim.

equalunique 9y ago

I also prefer plain vim or plain neovim, mainly because plugins aren't guaranteed to be on the servers I have to do work on.

jaux 9y ago
This only makes sense if you're on servers all the time, otherwise I wouldn't refuse to have a better workflow because of short period of inconvenience/annoyance.
- eibhinn 9y ago
  Agreed. I run many plugins locally and love that workflow. Just means you need to keep all the basic vim commands in in your head too for remote work.

nilved 9y ago

You're not weird, but you're not a vim user, or the target of this post.

snarfy 9y ago
Not a vim user? I suppose your right. I use it as a continuation of vi. Instead of a nerdtree plugin, I use a real file browser to manage the files in my project. Instead of split windows, I open multiple instances. To refactor a piece of code, I use some ex commands, buffers and maybe a macro. In that sense I'm not a Vim user. Vim is the vi implementation I use.