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I have bought a new desktop this spring. The first thing I did was configuring wake on lan (in France, we have 7 days to cancel a purchase). The second one was

I have bought a new desktop this spring. The first thing I did was configuring wake on lan (in France, we have 7 days to cancel a purchase). The second one was to configure ssh and gnome to be able to administer it remotely (line DisallowTCP=false in /etc/gdm3/custom.conf). I use Linux at work since 1999 and I have used a local display less than 1% of the time. An application that does not work remotely does not exist for me.

shakna 9y ago
Gnome Remote Desktop [0] is coming, it reached Fedora stable on September 30th, but exposes an API that allows Wayland and Gnome to work together over a remote connection. For all other uses, you always have xwayland [1], until they adopt the new guy. [0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1483499 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1483499 [1] https://wayland.freedesktop.org/xserver.html https://wayland.freedesktop.org/xserver.html
majewsky 9y ago
1% of users with very particular requirements should not hold back the experience of the other 99%.
- castle-bravo 9y ago
  Something as fundamental as remote desktop should not be sacrificed for the convenience of a tiny minority of developers.
  - collinmanderson 9y ago
    The lack of a reliable UI is one of the main reasons holding me back from using Ubuntu as my main OS. I wouldn’t mind giving up a native Remote Desktop if it means everything else works better.
  - majewsky 9y ago
    It appears we have finally found a volunteer for X11 maintenance.
- reacweb 9y ago
  Where do you get these numbers ? At work, I do not know where the servers are physically located (some VMware ESX in a closet). Most of my colleagues are in the same situation. Even for windows, many people use terminal services for teleworking. At my previous job in Belgium, it was similar (with a different X server). I have provided support to Nederlands and Portugal using X11VNC. Outside work, my wife and my mother are using linux. They call me when they have an issue. Hopefully, I can help them remotely 99% of the time. IMHO, local desktop is the exception in entreprises.
  - majewsky 9y ago
    I'm not arguing against VNC (which is very much possible with Wayland today). I'm arguing against the legacy cruft that is the X11 network protocol.
sspiff 9y ago
I use my Linux desktop through VNC roughly 50% of the time I'm using it (though, honestly, most of the time I work locally on my laptop). It's convenient to have access to the desktop session I left running the night before remotely if I want to. I mostly use it to sync files/code I forgot to upload when I quit the last time, or to start a download on Steam or something like that. I'm sure Wayland will eventually support similar usage, but I understand you reluctance to adopt it until it does.
- newscracker 9y ago
  Which VNC server program do you use? Is it free (as in beer) and does it have a GUI for enabling/disabling and managing the configuration? Several months ago I was looking for one like that but didn’t find anything that was maintained in the recent times. Coming from OS X, where turning on VNC/screen sharing is a simple process in System Preferences, I found it surprising that it was difficult to do that on (Ubuntu) Linux (enabling file sharing with Samba also took a bit of fiddling around).
  - shakna 9y ago
    rdesktop is pretty easy to drop-in and use, with a nice GUI. They focus on Windows remote desktop compatibility instead of VNC, which can make it easier for some.
- bandrami 9y ago
  Yeah, but VNC is light years behind X11-over-network in so many ways. You have to have a full desktop instead of a single application. It's not integrated with your selection buffers or your session manager or your desktop. It's really a blunt object in comparison to X.
ASalazarMX 9y ago
I'm lost, why is it relevant that "in France, we have 7 days to cancel a purchase"?
- makapuf 9y ago
  Yup, I also wondered if he was craving ethernet to find the refund website?
- ziotom78 9y ago
  I think he was trying to explain why he immediately configured wake on lan, ssh and so on: had he encountered problems in the configuration, he could have returned the item to the store.

shakna 9y ago

Gnome Remote Desktop [0] is coming, it reached Fedora stable on September 30th, but exposes an API that allows Wayland and Gnome to work together over a remote connection. For all other uses, you always have xwayland [1], until they adopt the new guy. [0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1483499 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1483499 [1] https://wayland.freedesktop.org/xserver.html https://wayland.freedesktop.org/xserver.html

majewsky 9y ago

1% of users with very particular requirements should not hold back the experience of the other 99%.

castle-bravo 9y ago
Something as fundamental as remote desktop should not be sacrificed for the convenience of a tiny minority of developers.
- collinmanderson 9y ago
  The lack of a reliable UI is one of the main reasons holding me back from using Ubuntu as my main OS. I wouldn’t mind giving up a native Remote Desktop if it means everything else works better.
- majewsky 9y ago
  It appears we have finally found a volunteer for X11 maintenance.
reacweb 9y ago
Where do you get these numbers ? At work, I do not know where the servers are physically located (some VMware ESX in a closet). Most of my colleagues are in the same situation. Even for windows, many people use terminal services for teleworking. At my previous job in Belgium, it was similar (with a different X server). I have provided support to Nederlands and Portugal using X11VNC. Outside work, my wife and my mother are using linux. They call me when they have an issue. Hopefully, I can help them remotely 99% of the time. IMHO, local desktop is the exception in entreprises.
- majewsky 9y ago
  I'm not arguing against VNC (which is very much possible with Wayland today). I'm arguing against the legacy cruft that is the X11 network protocol.

sspiff 9y ago

I use my Linux desktop through VNC roughly 50% of the time I'm using it (though, honestly, most of the time I work locally on my laptop). It's convenient to have access to the desktop session I left running the night before remotely if I want to. I mostly use it to sync files/code I forgot to upload when I quit the last time, or to start a download on Steam or something like that. I'm sure Wayland will eventually support similar usage, but I understand you reluctance to adopt it until it does.

newscracker 9y ago
Which VNC server program do you use? Is it free (as in beer) and does it have a GUI for enabling/disabling and managing the configuration? Several months ago I was looking for one like that but didn’t find anything that was maintained in the recent times. Coming from OS X, where turning on VNC/screen sharing is a simple process in System Preferences, I found it surprising that it was difficult to do that on (Ubuntu) Linux (enabling file sharing with Samba also took a bit of fiddling around).
- shakna 9y ago
  rdesktop is pretty easy to drop-in and use, with a nice GUI. They focus on Windows remote desktop compatibility instead of VNC, which can make it easier for some.
bandrami 9y ago
Yeah, but VNC is light years behind X11-over-network in so many ways. You have to have a full desktop instead of a single application. It's not integrated with your selection buffers or your session manager or your desktop. It's really a blunt object in comparison to X.

ASalazarMX 9y ago

I'm lost, why is it relevant that "in France, we have 7 days to cancel a purchase"?

makapuf 9y ago
Yup, I also wondered if he was craving ethernet to find the refund website?
ziotom78 9y ago
I think he was trying to explain why he immediately configured wake on lan, ssh and so on: had he encountered problems in the configuration, he could have returned the item to the store.