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Oh, we take deaths seriously. We take serious injuries seriously. We will laugh when you crush your boat, trailer, and truck because you can't follow directions

by KGIII 9y ago

Oh, we take deaths seriously. We take serious injuries seriously. We will laugh when you crush your boat, trailer, and truck because you can't follow directions. Really, backing up a trailer is very easy if you just follow the directions. Basically, aim the truck. Put both hands on the steering wheel, at ten and two. Go backwards slowly. Look in your mirrors. If the boat is bigger in one mirror, turn that direction. Tada! You've obviously never seen many tourists in the wild, or were one. We take good care of them. We want them to come back. But, we live in an area where you will die a horrible and gruesome death if you don't follow directions. Yet, many fail to follow directions. Most of their risk is pretty harmless. Our biggest rescue this year was 28 campers who somehow got completely lost on a nature hike. We had two snowmobiles in the lake, a car in the lake, a kid who drowned under the ice, and a few ATV accidents. Then there are all the smaller mishaps which require a 45 minute drive to an ER. This might help... I live 1h 15m from a fast food joint - if the roads are clear. You will die here - really. They do it all the time. They do it because they don't follow directions. Now, if you read my reply again, you'll note that they aren't the majority. The majority still screw up traffic, scare the animals, feed the bears, and generally get drunk and smash into stuff. Not too long ago, a nice lady tried to pet a bull moose in rutting season. She spent a while in the hospital but she lived. When I risk my life to come save you from a situation you stupidly put yourself into, and then I laugh at you, you can be pissed or grateful. That is up to you. I find they are usually embarrassed and grateful. By the way, is this response you're giving what the trendy kids are calling 'virtue signaling?' If it helps, you're gonna change my mind exactly zero. I'm not even remotely concerned that it is unethical. If you want to avoid it, don't make us have to clean up after you. You're full of nasty bits that are hard to clean off.

averagewall 9y ago
My concern is that most of society seems to have accepted that popular "isms" are bad, but only the officially designated ones. Then they're free to be as offensive as they like to any other groups of people. You're able to publicly say the things you did without causing any outrage. Yet if you do the same about protected classes, it's socially unacceptable. This shows that followers of the culture don't actually have concern for people being insulted, they just pretend to be concerned when they know everyone will agree with them. That's virtue signalling which I see as hypocritical. I understand that you help people when they have problems. I don't think that makes is OK to insult them though. It's easy to be frustrated when people repeatedly don't do what you tell them, and feel smugness when they suffer the consequences. To pull out another analogy, we don't mock victims of industrial accidents for failing to follow the safety rules 100% of the time, despite being told those rules. Instead, we look for ways to make it harder to suffer the accidents. Don't forget that just about every problem that people suffer is somehow due to their own actions. Life's full of rules you're supposed to follow but nobody can reliable follow them all the time, and if you did, you'd surely not get far or have much fun. People everywhere still crash their cars, turn up to work late, get preventable diseases, etc. I think it's offensive to blame them for their suffering.
- KGIII 9y ago
  You'll get over it.
  - averagewall 9y ago
    I hope not. This arbitrary distinction between people you're allowed to laugh at and people you're not is just assholes pretending to be nice people by following the popular culture. You're not doing that, but you can see here on this thread someone complaining that I wasn't supportive enough of the suffering of alcoholics. Who would have guessed they had to be respected but adventure tourists didn't? Anyway, don't reply because I think you're just here to release your frustrations without understanding things. You've used brags and personal insults which show that you want to engage in an argument but you don't have anything constructive to say.
verinus 9y ago
Here in Austria (no not the one with kangaroos, that's Australia ;-) We frequently have tourists that require to be rescued in our mountainous areas (which is kind of hard because tourism is so well developed) because they think that going hiking in the Alps is the same as going for a stroll in the park. Climbing a mountain in flip-flops is not sane! So I know exactly what you are talking about.
- mmjaa 9y ago
  In Australia (where the snakes are far less friendly than they are in Austria), Austrian and German tourists often have to be rescued from remote areas, beaches, deserts etc. for precisely the same reason: they thought they could do it in flip-flops. (Disclaimer: am Australian, living in Austria, and if I hear that stupid joke one more time I'm gonna start throwing snakes at people. The friendly kind, y'know .. Austrians.)
- KGIII 9y ago
  Yeah, as I mentioned above, I own a lot of land. It is all open for public use, except a small portion around my house. I finally had signs made up and an extra phone line installed so that people can call and leave a message saying when and where they went in and when they will be back out. So far, none have died on my property but two have died really close to it. Some snowmobile and ATV injuries have happened. A bunch have gotten lost. I'm always amused when someone has a cell phone and still gets lost. They will point out that they had no cell service. I've figured out how to open the mapping application on all the devices so that I can show them. We give away trail maps. They are free. We have plenty, take two. Hell, if you want, I'll even show you how to do most of the activities safely. I have all the gear, just ask. But no... They think watching Mission Imposeible means they are experirienced rock climbers. You should see them hunt. Firearms and tourists are sometimes a bad mix. That usually kills a few people.

by KGIII 9y ago

averagewall 9y ago

My concern is that most of society seems to have accepted that popular "isms" are bad, but only the officially designated ones. Then they're free to be as offensive as they like to any other groups of people. You're able to publicly say the things you did without causing any outrage. Yet if you do the same about protected classes, it's socially unacceptable. This shows that followers of the culture don't actually have concern for people being insulted, they just pretend to be concerned when they know everyone will agree with them. That's virtue signalling which I see as hypocritical. I understand that you help people when they have problems. I don't think that makes is OK to insult them though. It's easy to be frustrated when people repeatedly don't do what you tell them, and feel smugness when they suffer the consequences. To pull out another analogy, we don't mock victims of industrial accidents for failing to follow the safety rules 100% of the time, despite being told those rules. Instead, we look for ways to make it harder to suffer the accidents. Don't forget that just about every problem that people suffer is somehow due to their own actions. Life's full of rules you're supposed to follow but nobody can reliable follow them all the time, and if you did, you'd surely not get far or have much fun. People everywhere still crash their cars, turn up to work late, get preventable diseases, etc. I think it's offensive to blame them for their suffering.

KGIII 9y ago
You'll get over it.
- averagewall 9y ago
  I hope not. This arbitrary distinction between people you're allowed to laugh at and people you're not is just assholes pretending to be nice people by following the popular culture. You're not doing that, but you can see here on this thread someone complaining that I wasn't supportive enough of the suffering of alcoholics. Who would have guessed they had to be respected but adventure tourists didn't? Anyway, don't reply because I think you're just here to release your frustrations without understanding things. You've used brags and personal insults which show that you want to engage in an argument but you don't have anything constructive to say.

verinus 9y ago

Here in Austria (no not the one with kangaroos, that's Australia ;-) We frequently have tourists that require to be rescued in our mountainous areas (which is kind of hard because tourism is so well developed) because they think that going hiking in the Alps is the same as going for a stroll in the park. Climbing a mountain in flip-flops is not sane! So I know exactly what you are talking about.

mmjaa 9y ago
In Australia (where the snakes are far less friendly than they are in Austria), Austrian and German tourists often have to be rescued from remote areas, beaches, deserts etc. for precisely the same reason: they thought they could do it in flip-flops. (Disclaimer: am Australian, living in Austria, and if I hear that stupid joke one more time I'm gonna start throwing snakes at people. The friendly kind, y'know .. Austrians.)
KGIII 9y ago
Yeah, as I mentioned above, I own a lot of land. It is all open for public use, except a small portion around my house. I finally had signs made up and an extra phone line installed so that people can call and leave a message saying when and where they went in and when they will be back out. So far, none have died on my property but two have died really close to it. Some snowmobile and ATV injuries have happened. A bunch have gotten lost. I'm always amused when someone has a cell phone and still gets lost. They will point out that they had no cell service. I've figured out how to open the mapping application on all the devices so that I can show them. We give away trail maps. They are free. We have plenty, take two. Hell, if you want, I'll even show you how to do most of the activities safely. I have all the gear, just ask. But no... They think watching Mission Imposeible means they are experirienced rock climbers. You should see them hunt. Firearms and tourists are sometimes a bad mix. That usually kills a few people.