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You're now making fun of people dying. That's pretty horrible. Isn't it the same as laughing at handicapped people trying to get on the bus too? They should do

You're now making fun of people dying. That's pretty horrible. Isn't it the same as laughing at handicapped people trying to get on the bus too? They should do more training before venturing out into the real world. Isn't that the same as making fun of alcoholics and drug addicts who kill themselves with their habits? Suicide and drug overdose deaths are a joke and the people who die deserve it because they didn't bother to learn useful employable skills and ended up feeling worthless? Just because someone isn't good at evaluating risk doesn't mean they deserve ridicule for suffering all kinds of loss from their pride to their car, to their life. Edit: I got derailed from my point. Not all tourists are what your stereotype says. Just like not all women drivers cause traffic jams and not all blacks are criminals. This is the prejudice you're showing that I think is equivalent to racism or sexism. Imagine replacing "tourist" with "black" in your thoughts to see how extreme it is.

KGIII 9y ago
Oh, we take deaths seriously. We take serious injuries seriously. We will laugh when you crush your boat, trailer, and truck because you can't follow directions. Really, backing up a trailer is very easy if you just follow the directions. Basically, aim the truck. Put both hands on the steering wheel, at ten and two. Go backwards slowly. Look in your mirrors. If the boat is bigger in one mirror, turn that direction. Tada! You've obviously never seen many tourists in the wild, or were one. We take good care of them. We want them to come back. But, we live in an area where you will die a horrible and gruesome death if you don't follow directions. Yet, many fail to follow directions. Most of their risk is pretty harmless. Our biggest rescue this year was 28 campers who somehow got completely lost on a nature hike. We had two snowmobiles in the lake, a car in the lake, a kid who drowned under the ice, and a few ATV accidents. Then there are all the smaller mishaps which require a 45 minute drive to an ER. This might help... I live 1h 15m from a fast food joint - if the roads are clear. You will die here - really. They do it all the time. They do it because they don't follow directions. Now, if you read my reply again, you'll note that they aren't the majority. The majority still screw up traffic, scare the animals, feed the bears, and generally get drunk and smash into stuff. Not too long ago, a nice lady tried to pet a bull moose in rutting season. She spent a while in the hospital but she lived. When I risk my life to come save you from a situation you stupidly put yourself into, and then I laugh at you, you can be pissed or grateful. That is up to you. I find they are usually embarrassed and grateful. By the way, is this response you're giving what the trendy kids are calling 'virtue signaling?' If it helps, you're gonna change my mind exactly zero. I'm not even remotely concerned that it is unethical. If you want to avoid it, don't make us have to clean up after you. You're full of nasty bits that are hard to clean off.
- averagewall 9y ago
  My concern is that most of society seems to have accepted that popular "isms" are bad, but only the officially designated ones. Then they're free to be as offensive as they like to any other groups of people. You're able to publicly say the things you did without causing any outrage. Yet if you do the same about protected classes, it's socially unacceptable. This shows that followers of the culture don't actually have concern for people being insulted, they just pretend to be concerned when they know everyone will agree with them. That's virtue signalling which I see as hypocritical. I understand that you help people when they have problems. I don't think that makes is OK to insult them though. It's easy to be frustrated when people repeatedly don't do what you tell them, and feel smugness when they suffer the consequences. To pull out another analogy, we don't mock victims of industrial accidents for failing to follow the safety rules 100% of the time, despite being told those rules. Instead, we look for ways to make it harder to suffer the accidents. Don't forget that just about every problem that people suffer is somehow due to their own actions. Life's full of rules you're supposed to follow but nobody can reliable follow them all the time, and if you did, you'd surely not get far or have much fun. People everywhere still crash their cars, turn up to work late, get preventable diseases, etc. I think it's offensive to blame them for their suffering.
  - KGIII 9y ago
    You'll get over it.
    - averagewall 9y ago
      I hope not. This arbitrary distinction between people you're allowed to laugh at and people you're not is just assholes pretending to be nice people by following the popular culture. You're not doing that, but you can see here on this thread someone complaining that I wasn't supportive enough of the suffering of alcoholics. Who would have guessed they had to be respected but adventure tourists didn't? Anyway, don't reply because I think you're just here to release your frustrations without understanding things. You've used brags and personal insults which show that you want to engage in an argument but you don't have anything constructive to say.
flycaliguy 9y ago
I think there might be a cultural difference here. Where are you from? I have maritime family and my uncle has been awarded his village's "Biggest Asshole" award multiple times. With a trophy and everything. He's a potato farmer who listens to classical music and reads poetry while on the machinery. He's got a laugh that lights up a room and is wonderful family man with strong values. He's deeply committed to his community in a spiritual sort of belonging way. He farms the family homestead like 7 generations of Welsh goofballs before him. Maybe another way to look at it is ask, what is the alternative to having a laugh at the tourists? I can't comprehend one. Calling each other out for riffing on tourist blunders because they are part of a pseudo-disabled population or something? I'm honestly finding it impossible to imagine a different way for it all to play out.
zbentley 9y ago
> handicapped people, alcoholics, drug addicts, and suicidal people Not even a remotely fair comparison. The vast majority of those groups are affected by negative (horrible) external circumstances: physical or mental conditions, histories of trauma, and awful circumstances are incredibly common among those groups. Tourists are embarking upon something for enjoyment while of sound mind and (sometimes) body. Ridicule is one of many important ways to help correct (and, as someone helping, cope with) the damage these folks do to themselves and others. It might not be the best way, but it's a far cry from making fun of someone for being on the wrong end of circumstance. Seriously. You just compared tourists to alcoholics and suicidal people. You're either accidentally supporting GP's point or you should be ashamed of yourself, or both.
- averagewall 9y ago
  I think alcoholics do drink to make themselves feel better. Yes, I'm comparing them.

KGIII 9y ago

Oh, we take deaths seriously. We take serious injuries seriously. We will laugh when you crush your boat, trailer, and truck because you can't follow directions. Really, backing up a trailer is very easy if you just follow the directions. Basically, aim the truck. Put both hands on the steering wheel, at ten and two. Go backwards slowly. Look in your mirrors. If the boat is bigger in one mirror, turn that direction. Tada! You've obviously never seen many tourists in the wild, or were one. We take good care of them. We want them to come back. But, we live in an area where you will die a horrible and gruesome death if you don't follow directions. Yet, many fail to follow directions. Most of their risk is pretty harmless. Our biggest rescue this year was 28 campers who somehow got completely lost on a nature hike. We had two snowmobiles in the lake, a car in the lake, a kid who drowned under the ice, and a few ATV accidents. Then there are all the smaller mishaps which require a 45 minute drive to an ER. This might help... I live 1h 15m from a fast food joint - if the roads are clear. You will die here - really. They do it all the time. They do it because they don't follow directions. Now, if you read my reply again, you'll note that they aren't the majority. The majority still screw up traffic, scare the animals, feed the bears, and generally get drunk and smash into stuff. Not too long ago, a nice lady tried to pet a bull moose in rutting season. She spent a while in the hospital but she lived. When I risk my life to come save you from a situation you stupidly put yourself into, and then I laugh at you, you can be pissed or grateful. That is up to you. I find they are usually embarrassed and grateful. By the way, is this response you're giving what the trendy kids are calling 'virtue signaling?' If it helps, you're gonna change my mind exactly zero. I'm not even remotely concerned that it is unethical. If you want to avoid it, don't make us have to clean up after you. You're full of nasty bits that are hard to clean off.

averagewall 9y ago
My concern is that most of society seems to have accepted that popular "isms" are bad, but only the officially designated ones. Then they're free to be as offensive as they like to any other groups of people. You're able to publicly say the things you did without causing any outrage. Yet if you do the same about protected classes, it's socially unacceptable. This shows that followers of the culture don't actually have concern for people being insulted, they just pretend to be concerned when they know everyone will agree with them. That's virtue signalling which I see as hypocritical. I understand that you help people when they have problems. I don't think that makes is OK to insult them though. It's easy to be frustrated when people repeatedly don't do what you tell them, and feel smugness when they suffer the consequences. To pull out another analogy, we don't mock victims of industrial accidents for failing to follow the safety rules 100% of the time, despite being told those rules. Instead, we look for ways to make it harder to suffer the accidents. Don't forget that just about every problem that people suffer is somehow due to their own actions. Life's full of rules you're supposed to follow but nobody can reliable follow them all the time, and if you did, you'd surely not get far or have much fun. People everywhere still crash their cars, turn up to work late, get preventable diseases, etc. I think it's offensive to blame them for their suffering.
- KGIII 9y ago
  You'll get over it.
  - averagewall 9y ago
    I hope not. This arbitrary distinction between people you're allowed to laugh at and people you're not is just assholes pretending to be nice people by following the popular culture. You're not doing that, but you can see here on this thread someone complaining that I wasn't supportive enough of the suffering of alcoholics. Who would have guessed they had to be respected but adventure tourists didn't? Anyway, don't reply because I think you're just here to release your frustrations without understanding things. You've used brags and personal insults which show that you want to engage in an argument but you don't have anything constructive to say.

flycaliguy 9y ago

I think there might be a cultural difference here. Where are you from? I have maritime family and my uncle has been awarded his village's "Biggest Asshole" award multiple times. With a trophy and everything. He's a potato farmer who listens to classical music and reads poetry while on the machinery. He's got a laugh that lights up a room and is wonderful family man with strong values. He's deeply committed to his community in a spiritual sort of belonging way. He farms the family homestead like 7 generations of Welsh goofballs before him. Maybe another way to look at it is ask, what is the alternative to having a laugh at the tourists? I can't comprehend one. Calling each other out for riffing on tourist blunders because they are part of a pseudo-disabled population or something? I'm honestly finding it impossible to imagine a different way for it all to play out.

zbentley 9y ago

> handicapped people, alcoholics, drug addicts, and suicidal people Not even a remotely fair comparison. The vast majority of those groups are affected by negative (horrible) external circumstances: physical or mental conditions, histories of trauma, and awful circumstances are incredibly common among those groups. Tourists are embarking upon something for enjoyment while of sound mind and (sometimes) body. Ridicule is one of many important ways to help correct (and, as someone helping, cope with) the damage these folks do to themselves and others. It might not be the best way, but it's a far cry from making fun of someone for being on the wrong end of circumstance. Seriously. You just compared tourists to alcoholics and suicidal people. You're either accidentally supporting GP's point or you should be ashamed of yourself, or both.

averagewall 9y ago
I think alcoholics do drink to make themselves feel better. Yes, I'm comparing them.