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The conventional wisdom for Chess engines is that aggressive pruning doesn't work well. Chess is much more tactical than Go, selective algorithms tend to lead t

The conventional wisdom for Chess engines is that aggressive pruning doesn't work well. Chess is much more tactical than Go, selective algorithms tend to lead to some crucial tactic being missed, and the greater the search depth, the more likely that is. Modern Chess engines are designed to brute-force the search tree as efficiently as possible. I will go out on a limb here and say they would wipe the floor with AlphaGo, because AlphaGo's hardware would be more of a liability than an asset against a CPU. See also: https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Type+A+Strategy https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Type+A+Strategy https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Type+B+Strategy https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Type+B+Strategy

nojvek 9y ago
Until I see AlphaGo zero defeating StockFish 100-0 and with same algorithm defeating best Go AI and killing the Atari games including montezuma’s revenge, I call this hype bullshit. Give me your results on OpenAI gym in a variety of different styles of games including GTA and WoW. I will believe you if a generic unsupervised algorithm running on a single machine is absolutely destroying the best players. Until then ...
- goatlover 9y ago
  Add Pacman and Pitfall to the list. Humans have played perfect games of both. My understanding is DeepMind performed poorly on those games.
- red75prime 9y ago
  You forget to add "running on 20 watts of power". It's not reasonable to require it to run on a single machine, when brain performance is estimated to be more than 10 petaflops.
- taneq 9y ago
  Just like Lee Se-dol is a Go grandmaster, beats Gary Kasparov at chess and can also get a perfect score in Pac-Man, right? I mean, if you can't do all of those things then are you even a human-level intelligence?
  - romaniv 9y ago
    This just illustrates that surpassing "human level" performance is a silly and arbitrary benchmark, because there is no such thing as general human level performance. But I bet Kasparov would be pretty good at Go, and Sedol would be pretty good at chess. Universality is the real hard problem of AI. In the long run, a mediocre AI that does a lot of different things is far more useful that most targeted "superhuman" AIs. Most domains simply don't require better-than-human performance, but could still reap tremendous benefits from automation.
    - taneq 9y ago
      Agreed. It's great that we have domain-specific approaches that can beat humans in their domain (and that we're learning how to make these approaches more generic so that, with re-training, they can adapt to new domains), but the real "oh snap" moment will be when we build something that's barely-adequate but widely adaptable. Something with the adaptability of a corvid or an octopus, say. If we get to that level, it'll mean we've discovered the "universal glue" that joins specialist networks together into a conscious entity.
- Tepix 9y ago
  I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. If not, I suggest you look at the cartoon at http://www.kurzweilai.net/robot-learns-self-awareness http://www.kurzweilai.net/robot-learns-self-awareness

nojvek 9y ago

Until I see AlphaGo zero defeating StockFish 100-0 and with same algorithm defeating best Go AI and killing the Atari games including montezuma’s revenge, I call this hype bullshit. Give me your results on OpenAI gym in a variety of different styles of games including GTA and WoW. I will believe you if a generic unsupervised algorithm running on a single machine is absolutely destroying the best players. Until then ...

goatlover 9y ago
Add Pacman and Pitfall to the list. Humans have played perfect games of both. My understanding is DeepMind performed poorly on those games.
red75prime 9y ago
You forget to add "running on 20 watts of power". It's not reasonable to require it to run on a single machine, when brain performance is estimated to be more than 10 petaflops.
taneq 9y ago
Just like Lee Se-dol is a Go grandmaster, beats Gary Kasparov at chess and can also get a perfect score in Pac-Man, right? I mean, if you can't do all of those things then are you even a human-level intelligence?
- romaniv 9y ago
  This just illustrates that surpassing "human level" performance is a silly and arbitrary benchmark, because there is no such thing as general human level performance. But I bet Kasparov would be pretty good at Go, and Sedol would be pretty good at chess. Universality is the real hard problem of AI. In the long run, a mediocre AI that does a lot of different things is far more useful that most targeted "superhuman" AIs. Most domains simply don't require better-than-human performance, but could still reap tremendous benefits from automation.
  - taneq 9y ago
    Agreed. It's great that we have domain-specific approaches that can beat humans in their domain (and that we're learning how to make these approaches more generic so that, with re-training, they can adapt to new domains), but the real "oh snap" moment will be when we build something that's barely-adequate but widely adaptable. Something with the adaptability of a corvid or an octopus, say. If we get to that level, it'll mean we've discovered the "universal glue" that joins specialist networks together into a conscious entity.
Tepix 9y ago
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. If not, I suggest you look at the cartoon at http://www.kurzweilai.net/robot-learns-self-awareness http://www.kurzweilai.net/robot-learns-self-awareness