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That same employer could save MUCH more time by posting a salary range in the job posting..

pmoriarty 9y ago
I kind of consider salary numbers posted in job ads to be a bit of a red flag. In my experience, when that happens, the company's usually trying to preclude negotiation on a salary that is way below market rate -- and there's amost always room for negotiation, so I see companies that try to do this as probably kind of sketchy (except in the case of some government jobs where they may be required by law to post salaries, and there really is no room for negotiation as their salaries are also set in stone). The other situation that I've seen this in is job ads posted by recruiters who post way-above market-rate salaries and then try to bait-and-switch you when you answer the ad. Also a big red flag. Mostly, though, I am interested in negotiating, and don't want to commit to a number even before I've had a chance to make a favorable impression on the employer, because then they could say "well, you knew ahead of time what we were paying, so why are you trying to negotiate?" Well, if they had posted a realistic number or their best possible offer, maybe there'd be no need to negotiate -- but that is virtually never the case.
majormajor 9y ago
Posting a range "job pays X to Y" runs the risk of every candidate assuming they'd be on the "Y" side, not the lower "X" side. If a candidate wows you, you want to impress them, so you have to have room to go above your posted range, in that case. But then you're being less transparent, once again.
- pmoriarty 9y ago
  "Posting a range "job pays X to Y" runs the risk of every candidate assuming they'd be on the "Y" side" Employers know this, so they just adjust their advertised range downwards so that the "Y" in "X to Y" is actually at the low end of the range they're actually willing to pay.
  - majormajor 9y ago
    Yes, I mentioned that, but how does that help the candidate filtering lack-of-transparency problem? I as candidate no longer know their real range, so I have little useful information. I as employer can't win sharing the true range or the false range.

I kind of consider salary numbers posted in job ads to be a bit of a red flag. In my experience, when that happens, the company's usually trying to preclude negotiation on a salary that is way below market rate -- and there's amost always room for negotiation, so I see companies that try to do this as probably kind of sketchy (except in the case of some government jobs where they may be required by law to post salaries, and there really is no room for negotiation as their salaries are also set in stone). The other situation that I've seen this in is job ads posted by recruiters who post way-above market-rate salaries and then try to bait-and-switch you when you answer the ad. Also a big red flag. Mostly, though, I am interested in negotiating, and don't want to commit to a number even before I've had a chance to make a favorable impression on the employer, because then they could say "well, you knew ahead of time what we were paying, so why are you trying to negotiate?" Well, if they had posted a realistic number or their best possible offer, maybe there'd be no need to negotiate -- but that is virtually never the case.

majormajor 9y ago

Posting a range "job pays X to Y" runs the risk of every candidate assuming they'd be on the "Y" side, not the lower "X" side. If a candidate wows you, you want to impress them, so you have to have room to go above your posted range, in that case. But then you're being less transparent, once again.

pmoriarty 9y ago
"Posting a range "job pays X to Y" runs the risk of every candidate assuming they'd be on the "Y" side" Employers know this, so they just adjust their advertised range downwards so that the "Y" in "X to Y" is actually at the low end of the range they're actually willing to pay.
- majormajor 9y ago
  Yes, I mentioned that, but how does that help the candidate filtering lack-of-transparency problem? I as candidate no longer know their real range, so I have little useful information. I as employer can't win sharing the true range or the false range.