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Agents of the employer, such as recruiters, are also prohibited from seeking for this information. https://www.natlawreview.com/article/california-latest-state

Agents of the employer, such as recruiters, are also prohibited from seeking for this information. https://www.natlawreview.com/article/california-latest-state-to-adopt-no-ask-law https://www.natlawreview.com/article/california-latest-state...

komali2 9y ago
About to get a hell of a lot harder for contract recruiters to match candidates with expected salary, and match companies with candidates that fall within the salary bounds. Only solution is probably to stress to their clients to just set a max salary and expect to pay it.
- disiplus 9y ago
  how about telling the candidates in front that the expected salary is in the range of x-y.
  - komali2 9y ago
    Because every time I told a candidate a range, I'd hear back "ok so the salary is {{max_salary}}, cool." Nobody in the contracting world wants to undersell themselves. If somebody on the team is getting 75/hr, everybody better get 75/hr or hell gets raised. This is why the O&G industry out in Houston pushes back hard against any salary-sharing.
    - Gargoyle 9y ago
      California employers will be required to give a range upon request under this same law. So might as well get it out of the way up front.
      - astura 9y ago
        That's amazing! There's nothing more frustrating than looking at job postings and having no clue what they expect to offer me until I go through the ENTIRE interview process. It's going to be a huge time waster if they won't meet my salary requirements. I'd like to know that information upfront. Too bad I don't live in CA.
    - twiceaday 9y ago
      Give just the x then. That will end most conversations quickly.
    - thechao 9y ago
      But not too hard, right? Because that’s a crime with an outragrous fine. Actually, just the fact you said that might violate the FLSA.
    - s73ver_ 9y ago
      I'm failing to see the problem. They're negotiating. If you don't want to pay them max_salary, then you need to have a reason why not, and counter negotiate.
    - disiplus 9y ago
      i was on both sides, if somebody does not have a lot experience or does not know how much they are worth, its easy to exploit, you ask them what they currently earn and what they expected salary is, and on that you can judge the new salary. the last candidate that i hired said something even under the lover range that i expected, so i offered him a decent bump (20%) on that as i did not want to underpay him. if i end on the other side again i will ask for the upper range for myself and see where it gets me.
    - Yizahi 9y ago
      Salary range x-y for a position is basically a fixed sum y allotted for doing this work with an ability to dock part of this sum if a worker is not doing all all his tasks, or doing mistakes. Using salary range even before hiring is essentially a possibility to penalize a worker for his future transgressions even before he is employed. Basically - blackmail.
  - CodeWriter23 9y ago
    Any prospective employee who asks me is going to get an answer that is 20% lower than the other job description they were eligible for prior to asking.
    - ryandrake 9y ago
      Would you be OK with the prospective employee quoting you a salary 20% above what he's currently making if you asked?
      - CodeWriter23 9y ago
        Sure. I can ask for salary history once the individual is no longer an applicant and if I can’t confirm they told the truth, I can fire them on the spot without cause. California is an at will employment state.
        0xC0DECAFE2020 9y ago
        See how long you last playing those games. Who in their right mind, other than the desperate among us, would work for a company that would do such a thing?
        lovich 9y ago
        So yes you can do that now, but is this any different than saying you are going to be a bully just because you can?
        Deestan 9y ago
        Well, I punch people and take their money. Most people complain about morals, but hey this is how I earn the most money. You can't blame me for trying to maximize my profits.
        komali2 9y ago
        I think this brings up a greater issue, and the purpose of the law in general - companies are motivated to be as profitable as possible, hence laws to prevent, say, a company building a militia and enslaving a state to turn them all into farmers or something (possibly the most profitable route? Who knows).
  - Halladie7 9y ago
    I want this too, as an employee hoping to work with other qualified employees. We just extended an offer to a guy who wasn't well qualified for the role merely because he was the only candidate who requested a salary in the range for the position. The skill set was actually pretty demanding, and the amount budgeted was likely below market. Desperation hire.
- AzMoo_ 9y ago
  It doesn't seem to say that you can't ask a person what they wish to be paid, right? A recruiter can ask the company their range, ask the employee what they're looking for (not what they were paid before) and match the two.

komali2 9y ago

About to get a hell of a lot harder for contract recruiters to match candidates with expected salary, and match companies with candidates that fall within the salary bounds. Only solution is probably to stress to their clients to just set a max salary and expect to pay it.

disiplus 9y ago
how about telling the candidates in front that the expected salary is in the range of x-y.
- komali2 9y ago
  Because every time I told a candidate a range, I'd hear back "ok so the salary is {{max_salary}}, cool." Nobody in the contracting world wants to undersell themselves. If somebody on the team is getting 75/hr, everybody better get 75/hr or hell gets raised. This is why the O&G industry out in Houston pushes back hard against any salary-sharing.
  - Gargoyle 9y ago
    California employers will be required to give a range upon request under this same law. So might as well get it out of the way up front.
    - astura 9y ago
      That's amazing! There's nothing more frustrating than looking at job postings and having no clue what they expect to offer me until I go through the ENTIRE interview process. It's going to be a huge time waster if they won't meet my salary requirements. I'd like to know that information upfront. Too bad I don't live in CA.
  - twiceaday 9y ago
    Give just the x then. That will end most conversations quickly.
  - thechao 9y ago
    But not too hard, right? Because that’s a crime with an outragrous fine. Actually, just the fact you said that might violate the FLSA.
  - s73ver_ 9y ago
    I'm failing to see the problem. They're negotiating. If you don't want to pay them max_salary, then you need to have a reason why not, and counter negotiate.
  - disiplus 9y ago
    i was on both sides, if somebody does not have a lot experience or does not know how much they are worth, its easy to exploit, you ask them what they currently earn and what they expected salary is, and on that you can judge the new salary. the last candidate that i hired said something even under the lover range that i expected, so i offered him a decent bump (20%) on that as i did not want to underpay him. if i end on the other side again i will ask for the upper range for myself and see where it gets me.
  - Yizahi 9y ago
    Salary range x-y for a position is basically a fixed sum y allotted for doing this work with an ability to dock part of this sum if a worker is not doing all all his tasks, or doing mistakes. Using salary range even before hiring is essentially a possibility to penalize a worker for his future transgressions even before he is employed. Basically - blackmail.
- CodeWriter23 9y ago
  Any prospective employee who asks me is going to get an answer that is 20% lower than the other job description they were eligible for prior to asking.
  - ryandrake 9y ago
    Would you be OK with the prospective employee quoting you a salary 20% above what he's currently making if you asked?
    - CodeWriter23 9y ago
      Sure. I can ask for salary history once the individual is no longer an applicant and if I can’t confirm they told the truth, I can fire them on the spot without cause. California is an at will employment state.
      - 0xC0DECAFE2020 9y ago
        See how long you last playing those games. Who in their right mind, other than the desperate among us, would work for a company that would do such a thing?
      - lovich 9y ago
        So yes you can do that now, but is this any different than saying you are going to be a bully just because you can?
        Deestan 9y ago
        Well, I punch people and take their money. Most people complain about morals, but hey this is how I earn the most money. You can't blame me for trying to maximize my profits.
        komali2 9y ago
        I think this brings up a greater issue, and the purpose of the law in general - companies are motivated to be as profitable as possible, hence laws to prevent, say, a company building a militia and enslaving a state to turn them all into farmers or something (possibly the most profitable route? Who knows).
- Halladie7 9y ago
  I want this too, as an employee hoping to work with other qualified employees. We just extended an offer to a guy who wasn't well qualified for the role merely because he was the only candidate who requested a salary in the range for the position. The skill set was actually pretty demanding, and the amount budgeted was likely below market. Desperation hire.
AzMoo_ 9y ago
It doesn't seem to say that you can't ask a person what they wish to be paid, right? A recruiter can ask the company their range, ask the employee what they're looking for (not what they were paid before) and match the two.