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I'm Indonesian, from what I learn, the communist party was considered rebels and they tried to overthrow the government, they killed generals and other importan

I'm Indonesian, from what I learn, the communist party was considered rebels and they tried to overthrow the government, they killed generals and other important figures of the government. My grandfather is also assassinated by them. Not that I generalize and hate all communists, but Indonesia just got Independence and it is important to maintain the stability by fighting rebels, and sure war crime happens, from both sides, to both sides. I just hope we all learned something from it and find a way to keep this from happening ever again

AdeptusAquinas 9y ago
Your comment suggests no, you haven't learnt anything. Because the other side didn't murder half a million people.
InclinedPlane 9y ago
Have you watched the film The Act of Killing?
otakucode 9y ago
Saying things like "it is important to maintain the stability by fighting rebels" suggests that you haven't learned anything from it, and certainly won't be able to keep it from happening again. That may sound harsh, but it's true. If you see people with different views from your own about something like property rights or how taxes are spent or whether the government should concentrate on helping people or building weaponry, etc, as a threat to some mythical "stability" which can be a bugbear pointed to any time a need to justify violence comes up... you will never know peace. People can work together, and they can reach common ground. It's in the opposite direction of labelling those who disagree 'rebels' and impossible to reach through fighting.
- thaumasiotes 9y ago
  From your parent comment: > they tried to overthrow the government, they killed generals and other important figures of the government That sounds like something pretty much anyone would consider a threat to "stability". Stability is not a mythical concept.
- geezerjay 9y ago
  > Saying things like "it is important to maintain the stability by fighting rebels" suggests that you haven't learned anything from it, and certainly won't be able to keep it from happening again. Either you're incredibly naive or you're passing yourself as an disingenuous individual. The problem with cold war communists is that Moscow pulled the strings of terrorist groups to try to force whole nations into puppet states controlled by a communist dictatorship. That had absolutely nothing to do with the will of the people or even organic political movements arising from within any nation, and their single reason of existence was to add another communist puppet state to the list of nations behind the iron curtain.
netsharc 9y ago
And who taught you those things? The "official" curriculum, sanctioned by Suharto? If the communist ideology had won, the capitalist ideology would've been considered the enemy, no? Something like "After Independence, Western Capitalism tried very hard to capture Indonesia, but Sukarno managed to fight and keep the country free.". Maybe the country would now be as modern/rich as China, instead of 30 years of corrupt government, whose people still have so much power.
- sherl0ck 9y ago
  well, lot of 'if' in there, what happen if we end up like North Korea? who really know.

AdeptusAquinas 9y ago

Your comment suggests no, you haven't learnt anything. Because the other side didn't murder half a million people.

InclinedPlane 9y ago

Have you watched the film The Act of Killing?

otakucode 9y ago

Saying things like "it is important to maintain the stability by fighting rebels" suggests that you haven't learned anything from it, and certainly won't be able to keep it from happening again. That may sound harsh, but it's true. If you see people with different views from your own about something like property rights or how taxes are spent or whether the government should concentrate on helping people or building weaponry, etc, as a threat to some mythical "stability" which can be a bugbear pointed to any time a need to justify violence comes up... you will never know peace. People can work together, and they can reach common ground. It's in the opposite direction of labelling those who disagree 'rebels' and impossible to reach through fighting.

thaumasiotes 9y ago
From your parent comment: > they tried to overthrow the government, they killed generals and other important figures of the government That sounds like something pretty much anyone would consider a threat to "stability". Stability is not a mythical concept.
geezerjay 9y ago
> Saying things like "it is important to maintain the stability by fighting rebels" suggests that you haven't learned anything from it, and certainly won't be able to keep it from happening again. Either you're incredibly naive or you're passing yourself as an disingenuous individual. The problem with cold war communists is that Moscow pulled the strings of terrorist groups to try to force whole nations into puppet states controlled by a communist dictatorship. That had absolutely nothing to do with the will of the people or even organic political movements arising from within any nation, and their single reason of existence was to add another communist puppet state to the list of nations behind the iron curtain.

netsharc 9y ago

And who taught you those things? The "official" curriculum, sanctioned by Suharto? If the communist ideology had won, the capitalist ideology would've been considered the enemy, no? Something like "After Independence, Western Capitalism tried very hard to capture Indonesia, but Sukarno managed to fight and keep the country free.". Maybe the country would now be as modern/rich as China, instead of 30 years of corrupt government, whose people still have so much power.

sherl0ck 9y ago
well, lot of 'if' in there, what happen if we end up like North Korea? who really know.