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>the media consistently doing the government's* bidding by painting our mass murdering allies as heroes, while massively amplifying the minor crimes committed b

>the media consistently doing the government's* bidding by painting our mass murdering allies as heroes, while massively amplifying the minor crimes committed by those we consider enemies I agree with your general thesis governments downplay their own murder but Communist regimes have killed millions of people[1]. Those are not "minor crimes". Both Capitalist (e.g. Native American population), Communist (Mao's purge), Socialism (Nazis' genocide) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_...

CalChris 9y ago
NAZIs were not socialists. They just co-opted the word. http://www.snopes.com/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/ http://www.snopes.com/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/
- baldfat 9y ago
  NAZI = Nationalist Kind of why McCain used the word in a negative manner this week.
- DINKDINK 9y ago
  Really depends on what one's definition of Socialism. >Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good" and accept political interests as the main priority of economic organization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism Take a look at Sweden when their policies were more Socialist skewed, the government in order to manage the P/L sheet for social welfare programs compelled political out groups to be sterilized[1]. Roma people were considered a "drain" on Swedish society and attempts to exterminate them were done much more quietly. If any government starts to make value judgements about who is more valuable than whom, they will repeat these same errors. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilisation_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilisation_in_Sw...
  - lederhosen 9y ago
    If you read your own link you will realize that the highest rate of sterilization for eugenic reasons where during the second world war. This point is _unusual_ in Swedish 20th century history as a time when the socialists where _not_ ruling by them self but instead ruled in coalition with the right wing. The minister of justice was for example _not_ socialist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansson_III_Cabinet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansson_III_Cabinet And the peak, some where around 1500 sterilizations a year, for eugenic reasons (if I read your diagram correctly) is _damn ugly_, but it is not extermination. It does not compare to Soviet, Chinese or American killing of their own populations (which is hard to call exterminations either even if we are talking about millions; genocide I guess is better term). Ugly things happens in socialist democratic countries like Sweden. In general they get much uglier in powerful communist (Soviet, China) or powerful right wing countries (USA). The killing of native Indians in America by non-socialists is strikingly bad for your argument.
0xfeba 9y ago
I hear that again and again as the reason we needed to oppose the fall of countries to communism, but it never seemed to me that communism was the root cause, but Soviet instigated revolutions and power plays that was more the issue.

CalChris 9y ago

NAZIs were not socialists. They just co-opted the word. http://www.snopes.com/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/ http://www.snopes.com/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

baldfat 9y ago
NAZI = Nationalist Kind of why McCain used the word in a negative manner this week.
DINKDINK 9y ago
Really depends on what one's definition of Socialism. >Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good" and accept political interests as the main priority of economic organization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism Take a look at Sweden when their policies were more Socialist skewed, the government in order to manage the P/L sheet for social welfare programs compelled political out groups to be sterilized[1]. Roma people were considered a "drain" on Swedish society and attempts to exterminate them were done much more quietly. If any government starts to make value judgements about who is more valuable than whom, they will repeat these same errors. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilisation_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilisation_in_Sw...
- lederhosen 9y ago
  If you read your own link you will realize that the highest rate of sterilization for eugenic reasons where during the second world war. This point is _unusual_ in Swedish 20th century history as a time when the socialists where _not_ ruling by them self but instead ruled in coalition with the right wing. The minister of justice was for example _not_ socialist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansson_III_Cabinet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hansson_III_Cabinet And the peak, some where around 1500 sterilizations a year, for eugenic reasons (if I read your diagram correctly) is _damn ugly_, but it is not extermination. It does not compare to Soviet, Chinese or American killing of their own populations (which is hard to call exterminations either even if we are talking about millions; genocide I guess is better term). Ugly things happens in socialist democratic countries like Sweden. In general they get much uglier in powerful communist (Soviet, China) or powerful right wing countries (USA). The killing of native Indians in America by non-socialists is strikingly bad for your argument.

0xfeba 9y ago

I hear that again and again as the reason we needed to oppose the fall of countries to communism, but it never seemed to me that communism was the root cause, but Soviet instigated revolutions and power plays that was more the issue.