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Of course U.S. Immigration sucks for founders. You don't think we're actually pro sensible-immigration, do you? The U.S. Immigration system is about importing c

Of course U.S. Immigration sucks for founders. You don't think we're actually pro sensible-immigration, do you? The U.S. Immigration system is about importing cheap labor (which is why Republicans support it) and NAMs to replace whites (which is why Democrats support it). 50% of the children in born in the U.S. today are Black or Hispanic. Unless you know of a way to fix all the problems in Black and Hispanic populations that seem to keep them from having any significant presence in professions requiring an education or IQs over 120 (and we've tried to fix those problems for 150 years now), the U.S. will be Brazil in 20-30 years. Educational reform has moved the Black-White gap maybe 1/5th of a standard deviation over the last several decades. And that was the easy part. Honestly, the rest is probably genetic, and simply won't budge even if you turn the public schools into sharashkas. Good luck, all. The demographic ball is too big to stop now, even if every state turned into Arizona tomorrow. The moving hand has written. Enjoy your bowls of red. P.S. If you are now busily writing me 50 reasons why the black-white gap isn't genetic, don't bother. That was an aside and irrelevant to the central point. What matters is that it's something that seems impossible to shift with current methods even when vast resources sluice against the problem over many years. And you only have 20-30 years to come up with a solution. Smart money is way against you.

m0nastic 16y ago
Wow, you sound like Tim May reincarnated (although I guess technically he isn't dead).
Keile 16y ago
You make a bunch of generalizations here without supporting evidence, especially with regards to the Black-White gap. Differences exist in and between (recognized) ethnic groups and are enforced by strict social phenomena (slavery for dark skins; liberty for lights). If we eliminated the entire historically privileged white middle and upper class from America, this would render the remainder of the population with much of the same social problems that plague the Black and Hispanic communities today. In this case, after a few generations the "gap" would very likely be as good as gone. However, what this, and your comments in particular, have to do with immigration as it relates to Founders is beyond me. Your post basically just degenerates into one of those racialist garbage tediums (see paraphrase:"we've tried to fix blacks for 150 years"; slavery was abolished in 1865; segregation in the 60s; one can't right wrongs by not actually doing anything about them) that litter much of the white supremacist blogosphere nowadays. Hispanics, I might understand some frustration to do specifically with immigration, but what the state of Black America has to do with regards to Founder immigration I cannot discern. Your tangent on how Blacks and Hispanics, two disadvantaged but otherwise tasteful groups, are figuratively destroying America is an example of practiced misdirection.Neither of these two groups objectively stand in the way of adjusting immigrations practices to allow more Founders.Hence your entire rant exposes itself as racist fear mongering drivel written by a someone with very little to say on the germane issue at hand.
- cypherpunk1 16y ago
  after a few generations the "gap" would very likely be as good as gone. lulz
  - Keile 16y ago
    The gap would already be dramatically reduced to within inches rather than metres. In effect it would be gone, although it would very literally be so if culture and conditions were rectified in a way that hasn't yet been tried in the United States over the past "150 years" (as if anything substantive was done in this time whatsoever). Of course, you can always disagree and argue from the basis of genetic determinism, but we all know the evidence for that is inconclusive and your "thinking" that it isn't won't make it anymore real. Oh, and just to make clarion your intellectual dishonesty, what does all of this have to do with Founder immigration? Nothing. What is it really about? Probably racism. Have a nice day.
- Vivtek 16y ago
  Wouldn't the plural of tedium be tedia?

m0nastic 16y ago

Wow, you sound like Tim May reincarnated (although I guess technically he isn't dead).

Keile 16y ago

You make a bunch of generalizations here without supporting evidence, especially with regards to the Black-White gap. Differences exist in and between (recognized) ethnic groups and are enforced by strict social phenomena (slavery for dark skins; liberty for lights). If we eliminated the entire historically privileged white middle and upper class from America, this would render the remainder of the population with much of the same social problems that plague the Black and Hispanic communities today. In this case, after a few generations the "gap" would very likely be as good as gone. However, what this, and your comments in particular, have to do with immigration as it relates to Founders is beyond me. Your post basically just degenerates into one of those racialist garbage tediums (see paraphrase:"we've tried to fix blacks for 150 years"; slavery was abolished in 1865; segregation in the 60s; one can't right wrongs by not actually doing anything about them) that litter much of the white supremacist blogosphere nowadays. Hispanics, I might understand some frustration to do specifically with immigration, but what the state of Black America has to do with regards to Founder immigration I cannot discern. Your tangent on how Blacks and Hispanics, two disadvantaged but otherwise tasteful groups, are figuratively destroying America is an example of practiced misdirection.Neither of these two groups objectively stand in the way of adjusting immigrations practices to allow more Founders.Hence your entire rant exposes itself as racist fear mongering drivel written by a someone with very little to say on the germane issue at hand.

cypherpunk1 16y ago
after a few generations the "gap" would very likely be as good as gone. lulz
- Keile 16y ago
  The gap would already be dramatically reduced to within inches rather than metres. In effect it would be gone, although it would very literally be so if culture and conditions were rectified in a way that hasn't yet been tried in the United States over the past "150 years" (as if anything substantive was done in this time whatsoever). Of course, you can always disagree and argue from the basis of genetic determinism, but we all know the evidence for that is inconclusive and your "thinking" that it isn't won't make it anymore real. Oh, and just to make clarion your intellectual dishonesty, what does all of this have to do with Founder immigration? Nothing. What is it really about? Probably racism. Have a nice day.
Vivtek 16y ago
Wouldn't the plural of tedium be tedia?