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If you're ever around Stuttgart/Frankfurt area, there's a couple of really amazing Technical Museums that are sister facilities. One is in Sinsheim and one is i
by NamTaf 9y ago
If you're ever around Stuttgart/Frankfurt area, there's a couple of really amazing Technical Museums that are sister facilities. One is in Sinsheim and one is in Speyer and are known as the Teknik Museum Sinsheim/Speyer. They're full of really awesome exhibits - heaps and heaps of cars, trains, aircraft, military equipment, etc. Due to it being a late plan, I spent a very rushed 4 hours in each of them and that wasn't nearly enough time - at times I was literally jogging between the exhibits trying to absorb it all. They are really amazing places to check out.
Anyway, specifically of interest here is Teknik Museum Sinsheim [1], which has both a Concorde and a Tu-144 on one of the hall roofs, next to each other. You get to climb up and walk through them, look up from under them, etc. but it's really cool to just look at all the little differences between them. Here's [2] a cool website I just found that shows a side by side comparison of the two jets.
The one that caught my eye immediately, which you can see on that page as well as this [3] wiki image, was that the air intake on the Tu-144 is far longer, necessitating the rear bogies to fold up into the air intake. I can't begin to imagine how they handled that without seriously messing with the air flow (and I can't find any diagrams of the airflow like with the Concorde). Wiki apparently says it was due to design misconceptions on the Soviet side and they were eventually shortened significantly. Also, the engines sit far more inboard on the Tu than the Concorde, presumably so they can get that additional length of intake up the fuselage/wing structure. Alternatively, it wouldn't surprise me if that's also part of its military heritage coming through.
The Tu-144 is a pretty fascinating aircraft, even beyond the story behind its development and competition with the Concorde. However, it's really cool to compare the pair and see the differences because it makes you wonder why they differ in those ways - whether it's a case of the Soviets thinking they should replace/modify the Western design with something better, or whether they took multiple concepts including the Western design and sort of mashed them together. It's truly a fascinating aircraft, despite its failures.
[1]: https://sinsheim.technik-museum.de/en/ https://sinsheim.technik-museum.de/en/
[2]: http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/concorde_vs_tu-144.htm http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/concorde_vs_tu-144.htm
[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-144#/media/File:Tupolev_Tu-144_CCCP-77102_LEB_02.06.73_edited-3.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-144#/media/File:Tup...
- jacquesm 9y agoThank you, definitely going to visit.
- 7b64f0f2 9y agoThis makes me think of the current book i'm reading about the Soviet space shuttle [1]. They started building it because of military paranoia. They did copy some of the design but it was to be able to accomplish the same type of mission. If I remember correctly, notably polar orbits. The west calls it a shuttle copy, I think it's probably more a design convergence. Buran was able to fly by itself, it was boosted by modular liquid fuel rocket [2]. The book goes into details about the differences between the two and a bit of history pre-shuttle, programs like the spiral space planes. It's also humbling when you find out that people in the ~1900 thought about going to other planets [3]. [1]: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1712747.Energiya_Buran https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1712747.Energiya_Buran [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energia [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rockets#Early_20th-century_rocket_pioneers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rockets#Early_20th-...
- pinewurst 9y agoBook recommendation: Soviet SST: The Techno-Politics Of The Tupolev-144 Long out of print but an excellent book https://www.amazon.com/Soviet-SST-Techno-Politics-Howard-Moon/dp/051756601X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1508341700&sr=8-1&keywords=soviet+sst https://www.amazon.com/Soviet-SST-Techno-Politics-Howard-Moo...
- ckozlowski 9y agoWhen I moved to Stuttgart years back, I remember doing a double-take as we drove down the Autobahn, as you can see both the Concorde and the Tu-144 from the road. I'm somewhat spoiled in that I live near the Udvar-Hazy in the U.S., so seeing the Concorde was nothing special. But there are very few Tu-144s on display, and only one outside the Soviet Union. In addition to those links, Air Vectors has a tremendous writeup on both the Concorde and Tu-144: http://airvectors.net/avsst.html http://airvectors.net/avsst.html
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