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I thought this comment was interesting: >Back in the days of NeXT, Steve Jobs used to make developers use the least capable machine supported by the target pro

by jbob2000 9y ago

I thought this comment was interesting: >Back in the days of NeXT, Steve Jobs used to make developers use the least capable machine supported by the target product on which they worked. This kept developers “honest” and attentive to performance issues and hardware constraints. I think Apple could benefit from doing the same thing with iOS developers. Can we get designers to do the same? Every designer I've seen has amazing monitors, so they design things with like a million shades of gray, which ends up looking completely washed out on people's 5 year old thinkpad.

zappo2938 9y ago
My ultimate goal is apps for education which makes using a $100 piece of dirt Chromebook, which I'm typing on now, an attractive machine to use. I can develop with it using the Cloud9 cloud based IDE. It's not that bad if I connected to a TV for extra screen real estate. A month ago I learned something very important. The mouse cursor stopped showing, so the machine doesn't have a mouse or tack pad. Now I have to tab through web pages which have limited my usage to Hacker News, Google Music, and Netflix which accounts for 90% of the usage before it broke. I can't use it to bank or pay my bills, wikipedia, or Facebook. It really does make me as a web developer ask the question how can I make this better and make more of my products more accessible.
- candiodari 9y ago
  $100 piece of dirt chromebook + cloud services = $100 + $600 per year to actually use it. Why not use a $200 secondhand lenovo that can actually run programs and give them a real system ? When I was very small I actually got an intro to programming class on mainframe. You could only work while connected. It was horrible, since you could only do exactly what the teacher said, there was essentially no cpu capacity available (and if multiple 7 year olds who've never seen a program run before complained about it, it's bad). It was beyond worthless. Stop the walled garden, especially for programmers.
  - thanatropism 9y ago
    My Samsung Chromebook is featherlight, lighter than my iPad. So it has replaced it as a PDF reader. An iPad-priced Chromebook with cell network support would be a dream purchase.
    - candiodari 9y ago
      Something that can't store a PDF library locally just wouldn't cut it for me. I travel too much and internet just isn't guaranteed.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  > It really does make me as a web developer ask the question how can I make this better and make more of my products more accessible. Follow the Web original design HTML + CSS, limiting the actual use of JavaScript, which is why I am a big supporter of Web 1.0 style with MVC backends.
andrewingram 9y ago
Sort of agree. There's value in having a great display as a designer, but a troublingly high percentages of designers will never test their colour choices on inferior or poorly-calibrated screens.
jamesgeck0 9y ago
I'd also love for more designers to build websites that are still usable when the browser is only as large as half the screen at 1680x1050. I'm finding more and more websites either require horizontal scrolling or go into an iPad mode with huge fonts and hamburger menus.

zappo2938 9y ago

My ultimate goal is apps for education which makes using a $100 piece of dirt Chromebook, which I'm typing on now, an attractive machine to use. I can develop with it using the Cloud9 cloud based IDE. It's not that bad if I connected to a TV for extra screen real estate. A month ago I learned something very important. The mouse cursor stopped showing, so the machine doesn't have a mouse or tack pad. Now I have to tab through web pages which have limited my usage to Hacker News, Google Music, and Netflix which accounts for 90% of the usage before it broke. I can't use it to bank or pay my bills, wikipedia, or Facebook. It really does make me as a web developer ask the question how can I make this better and make more of my products more accessible.

candiodari 9y ago
$100 piece of dirt chromebook + cloud services = $100 + $600 per year to actually use it. Why not use a $200 secondhand lenovo that can actually run programs and give them a real system ? When I was very small I actually got an intro to programming class on mainframe. You could only work while connected. It was horrible, since you could only do exactly what the teacher said, there was essentially no cpu capacity available (and if multiple 7 year olds who've never seen a program run before complained about it, it's bad). It was beyond worthless. Stop the walled garden, especially for programmers.
- thanatropism 9y ago
  My Samsung Chromebook is featherlight, lighter than my iPad. So it has replaced it as a PDF reader. An iPad-priced Chromebook with cell network support would be a dream purchase.
  - candiodari 9y ago
    Something that can't store a PDF library locally just wouldn't cut it for me. I travel too much and internet just isn't guaranteed.
pjmlp 9y ago
> It really does make me as a web developer ask the question how can I make this better and make more of my products more accessible. Follow the Web original design HTML + CSS, limiting the actual use of JavaScript, which is why I am a big supporter of Web 1.0 style with MVC backends.

andrewingram 9y ago

Sort of agree. There's value in having a great display as a designer, but a troublingly high percentages of designers will never test their colour choices on inferior or poorly-calibrated screens.

jamesgeck0 9y ago

I'd also love for more designers to build websites that are still usable when the browser is only as large as half the screen at 1680x1050. I'm finding more and more websites either require horizontal scrolling or go into an iPad mode with huge fonts and hamburger menus.